2023 orders gvwr
Tuned
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My 23 350 CCSB 7.3 with 3.73 gears is also 11,499 GVWR...
In 2022 the 350 CCSB 7.3 with 3.73 gears was a 11,100 GVWR and the 4.30 gears was 11,400. So the new axle must be "better" than the Dana... And im "assuming" new axle as there really isnt much info out on it. Could they just be Dana's across the board now? New sterling? Dont the Ram's have a beefier Sterling rear vs. the Superduty?
In 2022 the 350 CCSB 7.3 with 3.73 gears was a 11,100 GVWR and the 4.30 gears was 11,400. So the new axle must be "better" than the Dana... And im "assuming" new axle as there really isnt much info out on it. Could they just be Dana's across the board now? New sterling? Dont the Ram's have a beefier Sterling rear vs. the Superduty?
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The 12,400 GVWR requires CCLB 6.7 with 20 inch wheels, or 18 inch All terrain tires (the 18 inch all season tires get you a a lower GVWR). It’s worth noting that this increases the payload above the older trucks with an 11,500 GVWR, but the rear axle GAWR is still around 7200 pounds (that’s the max for a SRW truck).
More Turbo
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Interesting. When I was going back and forth between 3.73 and 4.30's on my 2022 order the 3.73 DORA showed 11,100 and the 4.30 DORA showed 11,400.
It will be interesting to see how the GCVWR changes on the 23 between 3.73 and 4.30 since they both now have the same GVWR of 11,499. Previous was 23500 vs. 27500...
It will be interesting to see how the GCVWR changes on the 23 between 3.73 and 4.30 since they both now have the same GVWR of 11,499. Previous was 23500 vs. 27500...
More Turbo
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From: Poway, CA
Are there still people that actually believe GVWR is something other than a marketing ploy? Multiple folk have mentioned the new axle for '23 as being the reason for the increased GVWR. Of course, that has nothing to do with it. The actual axle is not and never has been the limiting factor. Two trucks with identical rear suspensions can have different GVWRs and also different RAWR. These ratings are ridiculous. Am I now reading that a '23 F-250 will be available with a 11,400 pound GVWR? What's the point? As soon as manufacturers started making "3/4" ton trucks with GVWRs over 10,000 pounds, exceeding the Class II limit, the distinction became almost meaningless. Just build one SRW HD truck and let us choose the GVWR that suits our licensing, registration, or insurance needs. The terms 3/4 ton, one ton, 250, and 350 simply don't have the same relevance they once did and only confuse buyers.
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Well the local DOT guys seem to think so. An 11,499 GVWR truck hooked up to a 16k 20’ PJ bumper tow is grounds for a fine without a CDL. Forget a 20’+ tandem dually gooser. Without a Class B, this is out of legal operation range for a non-CDL holder. Still, most will have a 14k or less rated trailer so it’s just barely legal.
Tuned
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I believe that GVWR of the powered tow vehicle + GVWR of all trailers exceeding 26k puts you in CDL A class territory. Class B is for powered vehicles that have a GVWR exceeding 26k.
This all assumes commercial use in many states. Many states (including Michigan) have an exemption for personal/non-commercial use for these CDL class requirements. Some states do have requirements for licensing/endorsement even for non-commercial use.
This all assumes commercial use in many states. Many states (including Michigan) have an exemption for personal/non-commercial use for these CDL class requirements. Some states do have requirements for licensing/endorsement even for non-commercial use.
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My order sheet say 12,400 for a CCLB F-350. Went long bed for more GVWR headroom (and the larger fuel tank and more room for the 5th wheel).
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5th Wheeling
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From: Michigan
Mine says 12,400 also F-350 CCLB.
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From: Chaz
Glad to hear they have a 12,000 gvwr now if that turns out to be true.
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From: land of 10,000 lakes
I wonder if you can de-rate a cclb to the 12k of the ccsb, if not.....that sucks. I'd hate to get a sb truck to just have lower gvwr and stay under 26k with a 14k trailer.
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It should be. The 22 with the HCTT is identical to a 350, however they only rated it to 10800. I guess they are simply moving the numbers up to stay “best in class.”