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Old Jul 6, 2022 | 08:09 AM
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7.3 Updates?

Has anyone heard of any updates for the 7.3 Gas option coming for 2023+?
 
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Old Jul 6, 2022 | 08:12 AM
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Nope. Doubt they'll make any gas changes for awhile.
 
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Old Jul 6, 2022 | 08:14 AM
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I doubt they will do anything for '23, it is blowing away the Ram and GM gassers. Until they up their game, I think Ford will keep it the same. I'd bet they have some extra HP and TQ ready when they need it.

I have heard rumors that they are dropping the 6.2, and coming out with a Baby Zilla that will be like a 6.8 based on the 7.3 block to have as the base motor.
 
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Old Jul 6, 2022 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by William Owens
I doubt they will do anything for '23, it is blowing away the Ram and GM gassers. Until they up their game, I think Ford will keep it the same. I'd bet they have some extra HP and TQ ready when they need it.

I have heard rumors that they are dropping the 6.2, and coming out with a Baby Zilla that will be like a 6.8 based on the 7.3 block to have as the base motor.
The 7.3 is already derated in the large chassis. I can't see another offering based on it, but who knows. Could be to simplify the engine building process.
 
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Old Jul 6, 2022 | 08:56 AM
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The 7.3 is already derated in the large chassis. I can't see another offering based on it, but who knows. Could be to simplify the engine building process.
I've heard the 7.3 is actually cheaper for them to build than the 6.2. Being pushrod, with only 1 cam makes it simpler/cheaper to build. Just change the bore and stroke a little and boom, a 6.8 with say 380hp. Then they can still charge people $2k more for the 7.3 to get more HP, and it doesn't cost Ford any more to build it. Fleets will go with the smaller engine, but probably 90% of the retail gasser sales will pay the extra for the 7.3, and that will be pure profit.

Kinda like the black wheels, it costs no more to make those than the chrome/pol alum, but they charge what $4k more for the same wheel to be black?
 
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Old Jul 6, 2022 | 08:58 AM
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If Ford dropped the 6.2 and streamlined with just the 7.3 I would think that would make life easier and more profitable for them. Sure there would be crying about doing away with the 6.2 but the 7.3 can do what the 6.2 can do but better and be on par with mileage of the 6.2 if that's a concern in a heavy duty truck platform. Only time will tell.
 
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Old Jul 6, 2022 | 09:12 AM
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The 7.3 is already derated in the large chassis. I can't see another offering based on it, but who knows. Could be to simplify the engine building process.
Are they truly derated in the larger trucks or are the hp/tq #s just taken at lower rpm points? In the 250/350 its hp@5500 and tq@4000. Found this in a Ford article.
"A dyno-certified version of the 7.3-liter V8 producing 350 horsepower at 3,900 rpm and 468 lb.-ft. of torque at 3,900 rpm will be standard on F-450 chassis cab, F-550, the new F-600, F-650 and F-750 Medium Duty trucks, and F-53 and F-59 stripped chassis models."
 
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Old Jul 6, 2022 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 6.2caribou
Are they truly derated in the larger trucks or are the hp/tq #s just taken at lower rpm points? In the 250/350 its hp@5500 and tq@4000. Found this in a Ford article.
"A dyno-certified version of the 7.3-liter V8 producing 350 horsepower at 3,900 rpm and 468 lb.-ft. of torque at 3,900 rpm will be standard on F-450 chassis cab, F-550, the new F-600, F-650 and F-750 Medium Duty trucks, and F-53 and F-59 stripped chassis models."
They are not derated, only rated differently based on GVW. Less than 14K# = Chassis rated HP - More than 14K# = Dyno rated HP
 
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Old Jul 6, 2022 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 6.2caribou
Are they truly derated in the larger trucks or are the hp/tq #s just taken at lower rpm points? In the 250/350 its hp@5500 and tq@4000. Found this in a Ford article.
"A dyno-certified version of the 7.3-liter V8 producing 350 horsepower at 3,900 rpm and 468 lb.-ft. of torque at 3,900 rpm will be standard on F-450 chassis cab, F-550, the new F-600, F-650 and F-750 Medium Duty trucks, and F-53 and F-59 stripped chassis models."
Look at the tach between a 250 and a 550. Derated by programming.
 
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Old Jul 6, 2022 | 11:35 AM
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I have not heard anything official, though at some point I suspect the 7.3L will get direct injection to meet emission standards. I have heard the 6.2L is on the way out and will likely be replaced by the lower output 'economy tune' 7.3L currently in the E series. I have a feeling the 6.8L 'Baby Godzilla' has been cancelled (if it ever really existed).
 
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Old Jul 6, 2022 | 11:58 AM
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I'd guess the 7.3L will eventually get upgraded with dual Port/Direct Fuel Injection combo.
Maybe Ford is waiting for the rumored Cummins 6.7L gasser to see what hp / ft-lb they need to match/beat?

I'm thinking direct / port injection is worth ~ +25 hp plus a bit better mpg's
 
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Old Jul 6, 2022 | 12:21 PM
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I think the Cummins 6.7L gas is going into medium duty commercial trucks, not pickups. I don't expect any great numbers from it as it will likely have a low redline.
 
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Old Jul 6, 2022 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BSHORT
Look at the tach between a 250 and a 550. Derated by programming.
I don't have access to either one. So you're saying that max rpms are limited by engine controls on the bigger trucks? But mechanical components are the same...?
 
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Old Jul 6, 2022 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 6.2caribou
I don't have access to either one. So you're saying that max rpms are limited by engine controls on the bigger trucks? But mechanical components are the same...?
My 250 is 6K and work's 550 is 4800.
 
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Old Jul 6, 2022 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 6.2caribou
I don't have access to either one. So you're saying that max rpms are limited by engine controls on the bigger trucks? But mechanical components are the same...?
Yes that is correct, the engines are physically the same, over/under 14K GVW have different government requirements and are rated differently, that doesn't mean it makes less power, just rated differently. Example: if you put the f250 on the same dyno requirements as the f450, the power would be the same! The redline is lower because it is a commercial truck and makes peak torque well below 4800rpm. If you want to flash your F450 w/ the F250 tune it would make the same power as the F250.
 
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