late HPOP test device build
Lead Driver
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From: Woodbridge, Ontario, CA
Okay, if you change all those above parts on a 2003 engine, I guess you could use a 2005 and later pump. I've never tried before, but that is A LOT of parts to change out, not to mention the labour to do so, just to be able to switch to a newer HPOP. At that point, it would likely be far more cost effective to just change the entire engine to a later engine and correct harness to go with it.
Lead Driver
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From: Woodbridge, Ontario, CA
.....nor I. That sure seems like way too much work and money spent, for way little benefit.
Tuned
Joined: Jan 2019
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From: Southern California
Thank you everyone for the information, I was just curious if it could be done. I'm a long ways from needing a rebuild I hope, only 76,000+ miles on it. The original owner put all the Banks stuff on, only thing I did was update to the iDash DataMonster display because the original iQ display died. I also use Torque Pro and Forscan to monitor.
Original owner spent over $35,000 @ 72,000 miles at Ford, New heads, ARP Studs, Bulletproof EGR cooler, oil cooler and Transmission. I have a 1-1/2" binder with all the work done by two different Ford dealers.
Truck run great, my Son-in-law love driving the it.
Original owner spent over $35,000 @ 72,000 miles at Ford, New heads, ARP Studs, Bulletproof EGR cooler, oil cooler and Transmission. I have a 1-1/2" binder with all the work done by two different Ford dealers.
Truck run great, my Son-in-law love driving the it.
Hotshot
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From: Jersey Shore
If you ever have a HPOP go bad, get one from CNCFab or if you want to spend a lot of money, Dieselsite for one of their HPOP. And install a new J-Tube at the same time. The rest of the HPOP plumbing is more reliable than the '05+ setup.
Tuned
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From: Southern California
I've look at both those pumps. Currently I have an exemption from Air Resources Board because I removed the B&W fifth wheel hauler bed and put a pickup bed on. Had to fabricate brackets for the bed to fit the chassis cab narrow frame. Wait and see if the ARB changes the rules for diesel trucks again make me get rid of the truck.
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Cargo Master
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From: unfortunately Germany
I had a lot of other things to do in the meantime and had been looking for a suitable gearbox for a long time. After I had ordered it, there were repeated delays in delivery.
https://www.kramp.com/shop-de/de/p/s...-i-10--GR06310
After “only” 10 months, it has now been delivered. I've now finished the stepless motor speed control on the electric motor, so now I can finally get on with it....I hope the motor is powerful enough to spin the HPOP at around 150-300 rpms....we'll see.
https://www.kramp.com/shop-de/de/p/s...-i-10--GR06310
After “only” 10 months, it has now been delivered. I've now finished the stepless motor speed control on the electric motor, so now I can finally get on with it....I hope the motor is powerful enough to spin the HPOP at around 150-300 rpms....we'll see.
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Cargo Master
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I bought a new pump to get reference values for my test device.
I think it should be finished in March/April.
I have now completed the connection from the gearbox to the pump. The whole thing will now be mounted on a plate. I have also finished the speed control of the motor....
I think it should be finished in March/April.
I have now completed the connection from the gearbox to the pump. The whole thing will now be mounted on a plate. I have also finished the speed control of the motor....
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Cargo Master
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I've finished the basic drive so far, now the motor needs to be installed. I've also finished the stepless motor speed control, I'm a bit worried whether the motor still has enough torque at reduced speed to drive the pump up to 3000psi with the IPR valve closed.
The oil return from the pump is currently being made on the 3D printer ...slowly it's coming together...
The oil return from the pump is currently being made on the 3D printer ...slowly it's coming together...
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Cargo Master
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Things are slowly moving forward. I can simulate up to 300 starter motor rpm on the HPOP.
I was hoping that the pump would suck in oil itself when the oil level in the canister is above the pump. Unfortunately this does not work, obviously I have to work with some pre-feed pressure.
I was hoping that the pump would suck in oil itself when the oil level in the canister is above the pump. Unfortunately this does not work, obviously I have to work with some pre-feed pressure.
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Cargo Master
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It is as I assumed in post #25. The pump requires minimum oil feed pressure. The test device works, I tested it today with the pump out of a 06 truck.
Now I'm going to put an 03 pump on the test device, then I'll post a short video.
Now I'm going to put an 03 pump on the test device, then I'll post a short video.
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Cargo Master
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the test device works. It is important to me that I do not have to dismantle the gears for the test, hence the slightly complex design to transmit the torque. Incidentally, the torque is transmitted from the gear to the pump shaft via a cone, not via a form-fitting connection.
I am installing a new pressure gauge with a larger measuring range and a pressure relief valve that opens at 4000psi to protect the pressure gauge. I have damaged the pressure gauge due to the many impacts of the pressure gauge needle against the end stop. As a result, the needle is no longer at 0psi when depressurized as you can see in the video.
Here are a few more pictures and the video:
I am installing a new pressure gauge with a larger measuring range and a pressure relief valve that opens at 4000psi to protect the pressure gauge. I have damaged the pressure gauge due to the many impacts of the pressure gauge needle against the end stop. As a result, the needle is no longer at 0psi when depressurized as you can see in the video.
Here are a few more pictures and the video: