How effective is gun control?
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From: Penrith, New South Wales
Just a few points of note.......
Yes - the governments are similar both here and there. I noticed a lot of common ground throughout the forums.
Yes - there is a chronic shortage of 'uncommon sense' around
And Yes - As my colleague Damage69 suggests, owning a firearm does come with a lot of red tape. I'm told that about thirty percent of people attending the handgun buy-back are also handing in their licences. They've had enough of the bureaucratic torment that keeps getting thrown at them. And not surprisingly - that was the wish of government here.
One might suggest that these changes only affect law abiding people!!!
I don't think I mentioned that there is also a 'no questions asked' amnesty in place at the moment where illegal / unregistered / unwanted firearms can be handed in without fear of prosecution. Don't you think it odd that there are very few takers?
Someone mentioned the term ' freedom'. Living in the most overregulated country on earth freedom as the definition stands has seen a hell of a lot of redesign here. But it is worth having - it is worth fighting for and it is essential that it be kept.
Paul
Yes - the governments are similar both here and there. I noticed a lot of common ground throughout the forums.
Yes - there is a chronic shortage of 'uncommon sense' around
And Yes - As my colleague Damage69 suggests, owning a firearm does come with a lot of red tape. I'm told that about thirty percent of people attending the handgun buy-back are also handing in their licences. They've had enough of the bureaucratic torment that keeps getting thrown at them. And not surprisingly - that was the wish of government here.
One might suggest that these changes only affect law abiding people!!!
I don't think I mentioned that there is also a 'no questions asked' amnesty in place at the moment where illegal / unregistered / unwanted firearms can be handed in without fear of prosecution. Don't you think it odd that there are very few takers?
Someone mentioned the term ' freedom'. Living in the most overregulated country on earth freedom as the definition stands has seen a hell of a lot of redesign here. But it is worth having - it is worth fighting for and it is essential that it be kept.
Paul
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From: Conyers,Ga.
I may be one of the few that lives in Georgia. The gun capital of the east. That believes in Gun Control. I believe gun control is having the ability to hit what your aiming at. Without this control a gun is completely useless.
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So I guess it follows that a safe society requires all citizens to be carrying a concealed handgun at all times in public. This makes everyone calm and polite.
Criminals will always get guns somehow even if the supply of weapons available through burglary dwindles to next to nil.
How does a society reduce criminal access to firearms or is that impossible and simply encouraging more righteous gunplay will reduce crime in and of itself?
Criminals will always get guns somehow even if the supply of weapons available through burglary dwindles to next to nil.
How does a society reduce criminal access to firearms or is that impossible and simply encouraging more righteous gunplay will reduce crime in and of itself?
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From: N. Florida - The "No 4x4
The Three Room Theory, Sinjin.
Nobody has to *actually* shoot anyone.
The "average" criminal is both lazy and poorly motivated. Even with a crack habit to feed, I have to believe that most addicts would hesitate to break and enter when they had every reason to suspect the owner of the property was on the other side of the wall with a gun.
I guess there is a word for this: "Deterrence"
Nobody has to *actually* shoot anyone.
The "average" criminal is both lazy and poorly motivated. Even with a crack habit to feed, I have to believe that most addicts would hesitate to break and enter when they had every reason to suspect the owner of the property was on the other side of the wall with a gun.
I guess there is a word for this: "Deterrence"
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From: Central Kali
One world government can not be achieved until all firearms in private hands are confiscated. One step at a time. It took 75 years to do it in England.
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From: Conyers,Ga.
Kennesaw , Georgia is a town north of Atlanta not a county. Back in the 80s I think it was. A town outside of Chicago passed a law to make handgun ownership illegal there. The people of Kennesaw passed a law that same year requiring all home owners in Kennesaw to own a handgun for protection of property. A year after these 2 laws were passed the police chiefs from both towns were on TV. The chief where guns were outlawed said his town burgulary rate increased along with the national average. The chief of Kennesaw said his burgulary rates decreased dramatacly. When he was asked if he contributed it to gun ownership he said he wasn't sure. But he also asked the intervier if he would try breaking into a house knowing the owner might be home and armed. Guns don't really stop crime but they sure do make it slow down when honest people are armed.
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From: N. Florida - The "No 4x4
Three Room Theory
Originally posted by sinjin
I am not familiar with this theory, please explain.
I am not familiar with this theory, please explain.
#1 - Filled with known to be unarmed people.
#2 - Filled with people you are unsure whether they are armed or not.
#3 - Filled with folks known to be armed and competent with their weapons.
Question: "If you were the bad guy which room would you not attempt to rob voluntarily?"
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From: Penrith, New South Wales
I read a story about Florida and a declining crime rate that was attributed to firearm ownership.?
Sinjin, I respect the point that you raise - but the argument is not about the criminal element. Yes, they will always have access to firearms. These days they are targeting security companies to steal these, not to mention unmanned Police Stations.
The changes that I refer to affect registered and responsible owners who operate within the law. These are NOT the people who are committing firearm related offences.
The hand-gun ban related to a multiple shooting in a southern state. Because of the action of one person - all others are condemned. Its sort of like caning the whole class to make sure that you get the kid with the pea shooter.
Many thanks for the story of Kennesaw. That's not something that the press would run with here.
Paul.
Sinjin, I respect the point that you raise - but the argument is not about the criminal element. Yes, they will always have access to firearms. These days they are targeting security companies to steal these, not to mention unmanned Police Stations.
The changes that I refer to affect registered and responsible owners who operate within the law. These are NOT the people who are committing firearm related offences.
The hand-gun ban related to a multiple shooting in a southern state. Because of the action of one person - all others are condemned. Its sort of like caning the whole class to make sure that you get the kid with the pea shooter.
Many thanks for the story of Kennesaw. That's not something that the press would run with here.
Paul.
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From: N. Florida - The "No 4x4
Originally posted by r3830
I read a story about Florida and a declining crime rate that was attributed to firearm ownership.?
Paul.
I read a story about Florida and a declining crime rate that was attributed to firearm ownership.?
Paul.
http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/fsac/UCR...rime%20Reports
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From: Penrith, New South Wales
Many thanks for that info ctfuzzy!
I'll sit down and spend some time digesting it.
I read a posting of yours further back where you questioned why the legislators can't grasp this. It is an interesting question considering the Florida information would have to be deemed reliable. Perhaps it remains outside the collective agenda?
Paul.
I'll sit down and spend some time digesting it.
I read a posting of yours further back where you questioned why the legislators can't grasp this. It is an interesting question considering the Florida information would have to be deemed reliable. Perhaps it remains outside the collective agenda?
Paul.
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From: N. Florida - The "No 4x4
Originally posted by r3830
. . . Perhaps it remains outside the collective agenda?
Paul.
. . . Perhaps it remains outside the collective agenda?
Paul.
Here is some more information that is statistically and politically significant, in my opinion.
http://www.ssaa.org.au/dodge.html
HTH.