Bulletproof E4OD for 351W
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Bulletproof E4OD for 351W
Greetings all! A lot has gone down since my last posts here. To keep it simple, I have made the decision that I am going to swap my stock 302 for a built 351 stroker (leaning towards a 427 stroker build). That statement is another thread entirely but, this thread is about my transmission. Since I am building said 351 stroker, I need to get a new transmission. I believe the "best" transmission that was offered on our trucks was the E4OD for the automatics. What I want to know is has anyone on here bulletproofed an E4OD for a gas transmission? I believe what I am going for is a stage 3 build on a gas E4OD that will mate up to the built 351 Stroker. Can I use some of the heavier duty parts found in the later diesel E4OD transmissions like the 4 pinion steel case planetary gears in the gas transmission? I can go online and purchase a stage 3 E4OD for a gas motor for about $5,500 but I like the idea of trying to save some money and build it myself. Any thoughts are appreciated. As I mentioned, I will also be posting another thread about the 351W Stroker so if you have comments about that, save them for that thread. Thanks in advance!
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The E4OD is a heavy duty transmission that was based off the C6. It depends on what you currently have in your truck which is what transmission? You cannot simply install whatever you want and have it work correctly. From what I have read there are different computers for the E4OD and 4r70w. Even if you swap a manual transmission in place of an electronic automatic you will need to fool the computer into thinking it is still there.
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Here's your candy store. They did my E4 a few years back to post 95 specs with my factory 2500 HD stall converter rebuilt for about $3600.
Can't find my parts list/receipts right now.
When I spec'd the build, I said I wanted a 650 hp, trq proportional, capable box. One of the techs said if upgraded the input shaft & went billet converter, it would be good for 1K, for what it's worth,
The original family has since sold out, but new owners have apparently kept up the quality.
https://transmissioncenter.net/
Can't find my parts list/receipts right now.
When I spec'd the build, I said I wanted a 650 hp, trq proportional, capable box. One of the techs said if upgraded the input shaft & went billet converter, it would be good for 1K, for what it's worth,
The original family has since sold out, but new owners have apparently kept up the quality.
https://transmissioncenter.net/
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The E4OD is a heavy duty transmission that was based off the C6. It depends on what you currently have in your truck which is what transmission? You cannot simply install whatever you want and have it work correctly. From what I have read there are different computers for the E4OD and 4r70w. Even if you swap a manual transmission in place of an electronic automatic you will need to fool the computer into thinking it is still there.
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Eliminates a lot of headaches and gives you a whole new world of possibilities.
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Here's your candy store. They did my E4 a few years back to post 95 specs with my factory 2500 HD stall converter rebuilt for about $3600.
Can't find my parts list/receipts right now.
When I spec'd the build, I said I wanted a 650 hp, trq proportional, capable box. One of the techs said if upgraded the input shaft & went billet converter, it would be good for 1K, for what it's worth,
The original family has since sold out, but new owners have apparently kept up the quality.
https://transmissioncenter.net/
Can't find my parts list/receipts right now.
When I spec'd the build, I said I wanted a 650 hp, trq proportional, capable box. One of the techs said if upgraded the input shaft & went billet converter, it would be good for 1K, for what it's worth,
The original family has since sold out, but new owners have apparently kept up the quality.
https://transmissioncenter.net/
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Do not bother with this step since you have stated you are building a stroker. Go straight to here: PiMPxshift Standalone Powertrain Management with Transmission Control (Sequential or Batch EFI)
Eliminates a lot of headaches and gives you a whole new world of possibilities.
Eliminates a lot of headaches and gives you a whole new world of possibilities.
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I did mine for around $1200 CAD.
Your 1992 probably has 3 pinion aluminum planets, 3 of them. Reverse is fine, but the forward two will need to be upgraded
Your 1992 will not have the center support bearing or upgraded sun shell.
Your 1992 will not have the 1995 newer front pump. The 1995 have a higher flowing pump, 9 or 10 vane vs 8 or 9.
You can use your case, and get an E4OD from 1995 or newer F350, or 1999 4R100 for parts. Diesel preferred.
The F350 diesels, some gas ones, 460ci, should have 4 pinion steel planets, may even have 6 pinion planets.
Then you have fun selecting different clutch and steels, making sure your clearances are bang on.
I followed this link:
Ford E4OD Overhaul for Heavy Duty Towing and Off-Road Use (motortrend.com)
And this one, yawn, very slow, very thorough, classes 1 to 16, great bedtime stories:
And many others.
I have my own thread around here somewhere, I can find it if you want.
The ASTG E4OD manual is a must if you do it yourself.
Took me 6 months, part time evenings, one weekend per month, first trans ever rebuilt.
Having a solid plan at the beginning will definitely help you and or your builder.
Your 1992 probably has 3 pinion aluminum planets, 3 of them. Reverse is fine, but the forward two will need to be upgraded
Your 1992 will not have the center support bearing or upgraded sun shell.
Your 1992 will not have the 1995 newer front pump. The 1995 have a higher flowing pump, 9 or 10 vane vs 8 or 9.
You can use your case, and get an E4OD from 1995 or newer F350, or 1999 4R100 for parts. Diesel preferred.
The F350 diesels, some gas ones, 460ci, should have 4 pinion steel planets, may even have 6 pinion planets.
Then you have fun selecting different clutch and steels, making sure your clearances are bang on.
I followed this link:
Ford E4OD Overhaul for Heavy Duty Towing and Off-Road Use (motortrend.com)
And this one, yawn, very slow, very thorough, classes 1 to 16, great bedtime stories:
And many others.
I have my own thread around here somewhere, I can find it if you want.
The ASTG E4OD manual is a must if you do it yourself.
Took me 6 months, part time evenings, one weekend per month, first trans ever rebuilt.
Having a solid plan at the beginning will definitely help you and or your builder.
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Here's my E4OD build thread:
1994 F150 E4OD shuddering - now apart - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums (ford-trucks.com)
1994 F150 E4OD shuddering - now apart - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums (ford-trucks.com)
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I did mine for around $1200 CAD.
Your 1992 probably has 3 pinion aluminum planets, 3 of them. Reverse is fine, but the forward two will need to be upgraded
Your 1992 will not have the center support bearing or upgraded sun shell.
Your 1992 will not have the 1995 newer front pump. The 1995 have a higher flowing pump, 9 or 10 vane vs 8 or 9.
You can use your case, and get an E4OD from 1995 or newer F350, or 1999 4R100 for parts. Diesel preferred.
The F350 diesels, some gas ones, 460ci, should have 4 pinion steel planets, may even have 6 pinion planets.
Then you have fun selecting different clutch and steels, making sure your clearances are bang on.
I followed this link:
Ford E4OD Overhaul for Heavy Duty Towing and Off-Road Use (motortrend.com)
And this one, yawn, very slow, very thorough, classes 1 to 16, great bedtime stories:
Ford E4OD / 4R100 Class lesson 1 of 16 - YouTube
And many others.
I have my own thread around here somewhere, I can find it if you want.
The ASTG E4OD manual is a must if you do it yourself.
Took me 6 months, part time evenings, one weekend per month, first trans ever rebuilt.
Having a solid plan at the beginning will definitely help you and or your builder.
Your 1992 probably has 3 pinion aluminum planets, 3 of them. Reverse is fine, but the forward two will need to be upgraded
Your 1992 will not have the center support bearing or upgraded sun shell.
Your 1992 will not have the 1995 newer front pump. The 1995 have a higher flowing pump, 9 or 10 vane vs 8 or 9.
You can use your case, and get an E4OD from 1995 or newer F350, or 1999 4R100 for parts. Diesel preferred.
The F350 diesels, some gas ones, 460ci, should have 4 pinion steel planets, may even have 6 pinion planets.
Then you have fun selecting different clutch and steels, making sure your clearances are bang on.
I followed this link:
Ford E4OD Overhaul for Heavy Duty Towing and Off-Road Use (motortrend.com)
And this one, yawn, very slow, very thorough, classes 1 to 16, great bedtime stories:
Ford E4OD / 4R100 Class lesson 1 of 16 - YouTube
And many others.
I have my own thread around here somewhere, I can find it if you want.
The ASTG E4OD manual is a must if you do it yourself.
Took me 6 months, part time evenings, one weekend per month, first trans ever rebuilt.
Having a solid plan at the beginning will definitely help you and or your builder.
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I have seen all 16 videos of the series you are referencing and I felt confident in my ability to rebuild my transmission after watching them. Then I psyched myself out after talking to mechanics (lol). I greatly appreciate the info and the thread link. You confirmed my initial thoughts of taking the newer parts and putting them into my old housing. I think you've just about settled it for me that I'll try to build this myself. Thank you again for your input!
And, make sure to do the 'Air' tests, this verifies the pistons and clutches operate correctly. All in the ASTG manual.
For specialized tools, its easy to make them, just have to think about it a bit.
Final notes, I ended up assembling and disassembling, because I second guessed myself, would definitely rebuild another if and when the time comes.
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That IS a candy store! I can live with spending $3,750 on a built transmission for sure. I am curious if I can contact them and just "piece" the build together so I can build it myself? Honestly, I'm not sure if it's even worth my time trying to build the transmission myself but I do like a challenge. The worst that happens is I end up with a stripped case that I have to call a transmission guy to see if he can take the parts I have and reassemble it right?
FYI, you can adapt the case to an engine stand:
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Don't you hate it when you get all these pretty parts (pink TC), then have to close them all up inside.
Without the pictures I'd never believe "yeah, I painted my TC pink, my other half picked the colour", yeah right!!, LOL, ROFL!!!
I'd like to hear the real story?
Without the pictures I'd never believe "yeah, I painted my TC pink, my other half picked the colour", yeah right!!, LOL, ROFL!!!
I'd like to hear the real story?
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Everybody treats automatic transmissions as some kind of black magic. Truth is, if you can rebuild an engine, you can probably handle an automatic. You don't have to understand why they work. It's like an engine, you have to hit your clearances and pay attention to details.
Of course there's more to it and I don't pretend to be some kind of guru, but for a regular rebuild on most transmissions it's not magic. It's attention to details.
Of course there's more to it and I don't pretend to be some kind of guru, but for a regular rebuild on most transmissions it's not magic. It's attention to details.
