F450 payload numbers.
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F450 payload numbers.
Howdy all. I’m thinking about trading to a F-450 KR or platinum DRW from my F-250 Tremor lariat ultimate 6.7.
I'm curious what payload y’all have on the door sticker. For the King Ranch and Platinum trim levels.
Thanks in advance for any responses.
I'm curious what payload y’all have on the door sticker. For the King Ranch and Platinum trim levels.
Thanks in advance for any responses.
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rear axle on the white sticker still says 9900 lbs. Due to the need to stay at 14K GVW.
the more loaded with goodies you get the lower the Ford suggested payload is.
Bottom line is it will carry whatever you put in it, easy.
the more loaded with goodies you get the lower the Ford suggested payload is.
Bottom line is it will carry whatever you put in it, easy.
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Thanks for the responses.
My 250 payload 2600lbs. I can get a decent size 5th wheel at that. But I want to be way under numbers. I don’t need any Johnny law fines for being overweight. It is really hard at 2600lbs to get a 5th wheel with washer dryer prep and stay well under. Looking at what people tow with the F250 Tremor (really an F350) I am positive they are well beyond payload capacity.
I wish the Ford site had a payload / total weight calculator when you build a truck on their site. It would’ve changed my mind about the F250 Tremor. The payload is decent compared to most 3/4 tons but definitely not what I expected.
My 250 payload 2600lbs. I can get a decent size 5th wheel at that. But I want to be way under numbers. I don’t need any Johnny law fines for being overweight. It is really hard at 2600lbs to get a 5th wheel with washer dryer prep and stay well under. Looking at what people tow with the F250 Tremor (really an F350) I am positive they are well beyond payload capacity.
I wish the Ford site had a payload / total weight calculator when you build a truck on their site. It would’ve changed my mind about the F250 Tremor. The payload is decent compared to most 3/4 tons but definitely not what I expected.
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Thanks for the responses.
My 250 payload 2600lbs. I can get a decent size 5th wheel at that. But I want to be way under numbers. I don’t need any Johnny law fines for being overweight. It is really hard at 2600lbs to get a 5th wheel with washer dryer prep and stay well under. Looking at what people tow with the F250 Tremor (really an F350) I am positive they are well beyond payload capacity.
I wish the Ford site had a payload / total weight calculator when you build a truck on their site. It would’ve changed my mind about the F250 Tremor. The payload is decent compared to most 3/4 tons but definitely not what I expected.
My 250 payload 2600lbs. I can get a decent size 5th wheel at that. But I want to be way under numbers. I don’t need any Johnny law fines for being overweight. It is really hard at 2600lbs to get a 5th wheel with washer dryer prep and stay well under. Looking at what people tow with the F250 Tremor (really an F350) I am positive they are well beyond payload capacity.
I wish the Ford site had a payload / total weight calculator when you build a truck on their site. It would’ve changed my mind about the F250 Tremor. The payload is decent compared to most 3/4 tons but definitely not what I expected.
If you want to be way under the numbers, your gonna need a truck with a higher payload rating. I can't imagine towing a 5'er with a Tremor. The suspension on the Tremor is not optimal for that purpose.
I moved from a 2020 F250 CCSB 6.7 with the HCTTP that had a payload rating of 2906lbs to a F450 Lariat Ultimate that has a rating of 4916lbs. I currently tow a 5'er with a GVWR of 11,500. The 250 was on the edge of the rating when loaded for real life. The 450 is overkill but we expect to trade up to a much heavier rig some day.
The F450 is derated to keep it under 14K GVWR. If that limit was removed, the truck would have a much higher rating. Having overhead available is the greatest feeling in the world when towing. Being on the edge is no fun at all. Kudos for you for not wanting to be on the edge.
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A 450 would certainly open up a lot of options fifth wheel wise, you could pull almost any of them. If you are wanting to go big and heavy with a fifth wheel a 450 is certainly the way to go. We had a 2017 F350 KR dual and I think it had around 5300 pounds of payload. We had a heavier fifth wheel we pulled with it and it did a great job. When we decided to downsize somewhat I wanted an F350 srw in a short bed but I wasn't happy with the payload I was finding with a Platinum or KR, around 3300 for most. I really didn't want a long bed but it was the only way to get the payload I wanted without going back to a dual. Ford had just come out with the 12,400 GVWR trucks when I ordered mine so I didn't have much to compare it to but it came in at 4054. We bought a new Jayco Pinnacle about 6 months after we got our truck and it has 3120 pounds of hitch weight, which is fully loaded for a month long trip and a washer/dryer added to the front. The brochure hitch weight was a little less than 2500 pounds so it will gain some weight when you start adding your stuff.
Just something else to think about as I think I've read getting a 450 right now may be difficult.
Just something else to think about as I think I've read getting a 450 right now may be difficult.
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Remember that almost all 5'er pinbox weights that are advertised are when empty. That means no batteries, no propane, no water, no sewer, no cargo. I doubt there are any 5'ers out there with washer and drier prep that won't be over your payload when loaded up for real use. Remember you have to subtract your hitch and anything else (including passengers) from your payload rating as well.
If you want to be way under the numbers, your gonna need a truck with a higher payload rating. I can't imagine towing a 5'er with a Tremor. The suspension on the Tremor is not optimal for that purpose.
I moved from a 2020 F250 CCSB 6.7 with the HCTTP that had a payload rating of 2906lbs to a F450 Lariat Ultimate that has a rating of 4916lbs. I currently tow a 5'er with a GVWR of 11,500. The 250 was on the edge of the rating when loaded for real life. The 450 is overkill but we expect to trade up to a much heavier rig some day.
The F450 is derated to keep it under 14K GVWR. If that limit was removed, the truck would have a much higher rating. Having overhead available is the greatest feeling in the world when towing. Being on the edge is no fun at all. Kudos for you for not wanting to be on the edge.
If you want to be way under the numbers, your gonna need a truck with a higher payload rating. I can't imagine towing a 5'er with a Tremor. The suspension on the Tremor is not optimal for that purpose.
I moved from a 2020 F250 CCSB 6.7 with the HCTTP that had a payload rating of 2906lbs to a F450 Lariat Ultimate that has a rating of 4916lbs. I currently tow a 5'er with a GVWR of 11,500. The 250 was on the edge of the rating when loaded for real life. The 450 is overkill but we expect to trade up to a much heavier rig some day.
The F450 is derated to keep it under 14K GVWR. If that limit was removed, the truck would have a much higher rating. Having overhead available is the greatest feeling in the world when towing. Being on the edge is no fun at all. Kudos for you for not wanting to be on the edge.
Yes I am fully aware. There are a few 5th wheels. But not very many. At the moment my main two are both grand design. The 295RL which has a 1434lb pin weight and possibly the 320mks with 2076 on the pin. The 320 would be real damn close and likely over. My only reservation about the 295rl is no washer dryer prep.
From what I have read the Tremor is an F350 suspension wise minus the shocks. The only missing component is a rear sway bar that will get added. A 450 is in the works. However trucks are about impossible to get right now, unfortunately.
Either way 450 or not I will be no where near payload capacity.
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Thank you. Exactly what I’m looking for. It’s ridiculous that ford doesn’t have these numbers available broke down by model and trim level. This should not be a guessing game.
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Model and trim level isn't specific enough to list them. Too many stand alone options that can be added, bed length, cab size, and powertrain. You could have two trucks that are both 4x4 CCLB lariat diesels that have a couple hundred pounds payload difference if one was base model and one was loaded up in ultimate trim with gooseneck hitch, bed liner, and sunroof.
Would be nice if it was integrated on the website though to give you the payload of the truck you build on there.
Would be nice if it was integrated on the website though to give you the payload of the truck you build on there.
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Model and trim level isn't specific enough to list them. Too many stand alone options that can be added, bed length, cab size, and powertrain. You could have two trucks that are both 4x4 CCLB lariat diesels that have a couple hundred pounds payload difference if one was base model and one was loaded up in ultimate trim with gooseneck hitch, bed liner, and sunroof.
Would be nice if it was integrated on the website though to give you the payload of the truck you build on there.
Would be nice if it was integrated on the website though to give you the payload of the truck you build on there.
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That’s awesome. Thank you. Haven’t run across it before.
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just remember for a 5th, Take the GVW of the trailer and use 20% of that number to determine pin wt. Don't take what is listed as gospel. It will be wrong.
Using the 20% of the GVW factor will be closer if not accurate with what you will have in the end with groceries, clothing, camping accessories and what might or might not be in the black, gray and water tanks.
Don't forget the chairs, BBQ and propane, the smores and whatever else.
Also the payload sticker is a guide, it is not the law. DOT uses the axle ratings, tire rating and what you are registered to run. Stay within those and you will have no problems. There is no other issue with the exception of how safe a driver are you.
Using the 20% of the GVW factor will be closer if not accurate with what you will have in the end with groceries, clothing, camping accessories and what might or might not be in the black, gray and water tanks.
Don't forget the chairs, BBQ and propane, the smores and whatever else.
Also the payload sticker is a guide, it is not the law. DOT uses the axle ratings, tire rating and what you are registered to run. Stay within those and you will have no problems. There is no other issue with the exception of how safe a driver are you.
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just remember for a 5th, Take the GVW of the trailer and use 20% of that number to determine pin wt. Don't take what is listed as gospel. It will be wrong.
Using the 20% of the GVW factor will be closer if not accurate with what you will have in the end with groceries, clothing, camping accessories and what might or might not be in the black, gray and water tanks.
Don't forget the chairs, BBQ and propane, the smores and whatever else.
Also the payload sticker is a guide, it is not the law. DOT uses the axle ratings, tire rating and what you are registered to run. Stay within those and you will have no problems. There is no other issue with the exception of how safe a driver are you.
Using the 20% of the GVW factor will be closer if not accurate with what you will have in the end with groceries, clothing, camping accessories and what might or might not be in the black, gray and water tanks.
Don't forget the chairs, BBQ and propane, the smores and whatever else.
Also the payload sticker is a guide, it is not the law. DOT uses the axle ratings, tire rating and what you are registered to run. Stay within those and you will have no problems. There is no other issue with the exception of how safe a driver are you.
If I am fine with the grand design 320mks with a pin weight of 2076 that’s what I’m going to go with. At least until I trade up to an F-450.
Accourding to the 20% rule the Grand Design 295RL pin weight is 2199, well under. The 320MKS is 2799. I know I can save pin weight by shifting the load a little as well as lighter equipment. I likely will never haul to the full gvwr and likely never with full tanks as well.
The total weight of either 5th wheel is well below the tow capacity of the truck. My biggest crux is/was that payload rating. Fortunately as well it’s just the wife and I. We are used to camping on my motorcycle lightweight and unsupported. With either 5th wheel. I’ll make certain we are safe and legal.