PMF or BDS Coilover kits
Cargo Master
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carli has a good comparison somewhere, shows you actually lose wheel travel on the 2.5" leveling kit ones for coilover conversion kits.
theyre alot more money
unlimited adjustment with a coilover is nice. looks good for the 'gram
having the shock separate is great for when the shock seal blows.or you wanna rebuild/revalve. pull the shock and leave the spring,
is there actually a benefit in terms of ride quality? its the same shock, same valving. the packaging is different but thats it right?
theyre alot more money
unlimited adjustment with a coilover is nice. looks good for the 'gram
having the shock separate is great for when the shock seal blows.or you wanna rebuild/revalve. pull the shock and leave the spring,
is there actually a benefit in terms of ride quality? its the same shock, same valving. the packaging is different but thats it right?
Fleet Mechanic
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I love not having a captured spring. Shock changes are a breeze now. I had a captured spring style shock on my previous trucks and it sucks to work on. I'm sure there are advantages but, for how I use my heavy duty truck, I'm not seeing it.
Cargo Master
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we run king coilovers on our toyota, love them. but maintenance is a pain. not to mention rod ends make more noise on the shock mounts anyways.
Mountain Pass
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Carli did a write up on this. You actually loose travel with the coil over.
Travel is important because you can run a bit softer spring as it has more time to dampen the impact where less travel has less time.
Go watch some YouTube videos of Carli trucks and how they handle off road. It speaks for itself.
Travel is important because you can run a bit softer spring as it has more time to dampen the impact where less travel has less time.
Go watch some YouTube videos of Carli trucks and how they handle off road. It speaks for itself.
Fleet Mechanic
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Yeah, but that's an IFS set up that was made to run coilovers. I know with IFS, you can start messing with the overall travel as well so the captured spring makes sense with that type of suspension. With a solid front axle, I don't know what you gain by switching to a coilover. I wonder if you could find an Ori setup that works with the truck, that would be pretty sexy, although same as a coilover, not sure what you're really gaining by doing that.
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Tuned
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carli has a good comparison somewhere, shows you actually lose wheel travel on the 2.5" leveling kit ones for coilover conversion kits.
theyre alot more money
unlimited adjustment with a coilover is nice. looks good for the 'gram
having the shock separate is great for when the shock seal blows.or you wanna rebuild/revalve. pull the shock and leave the spring,
is there actually a benefit in terms of ride quality? its the same shock, same valving. the packaging is different but thats it right?
theyre alot more money
unlimited adjustment with a coilover is nice. looks good for the 'gram
having the shock separate is great for when the shock seal blows.or you wanna rebuild/revalve. pull the shock and leave the spring,
is there actually a benefit in terms of ride quality? its the same shock, same valving. the packaging is different but thats it right?
Doesn't have many details included.
Someone later in the thread mentioned an article, so I'll see if I can find that.
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Tuned
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What has been the maintence schedule with the Kings on your Toyotas for your uses?
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Tuned
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Carli did a write up on this. You actually loose travel with the coil over.
Travel is important because you can run a bit softer spring as it has more time to dampen the impact where less travel has less time.
Go watch some YouTube videos of Carli trucks and how they handle off road. It speaks for itself.
Travel is important because you can run a bit softer spring as it has more time to dampen the impact where less travel has less time.
Go watch some YouTube videos of Carli trucks and how they handle off road. It speaks for itself.
I just don't see how you wouldn't be able to run longer shocks the way they are mounted compared to where the stock mounting location is.
https://www.pmfsuspension.com/2005-2...Kit_p_195.html
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Tuned
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Carli did a write up on this. You actually loose travel with the coil over.
Travel is important because you can run a bit softer spring as it has more time to dampen the impact where less travel has less time.
Go watch some YouTube videos of Carli trucks and how they handle off road. It speaks for itself.
Travel is important because you can run a bit softer spring as it has more time to dampen the impact where less travel has less time.
Go watch some YouTube videos of Carli trucks and how they handle off road. It speaks for itself.
I am going to send PMF an email about the travel numbers going with a coilover suspension setup versus a seprate coil spring and separate shock to see what they say.
Just looking at the way, it's mounted on PMF's website, it seems like you could use a longer shock and get more travel out of the way that PMF mounts the coilover. I could see it adding some complexity but I don't see that being an issue.
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Tuned
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Also, here is the link and the description of Carli's coilover system for the 11-16 super duty's
"Providing height adjustability, dual front shocks and ultimate bottom-out resistance, the Coilover Bypass kit is the best option for the avid off-roader. 2.5″ Coilover and 2-Tube, 2.5″ bypasses adorn the front wheel well, while 3-Tube Rear Bypasses and Full Progressive Leaf Springs round off the rear. This system maintains great on-road manners and is the most off-road capable of our 4.5″ lift lineup."
https://carlisuspension.com/product/...ystem-copy-11/
"Providing height adjustability, dual front shocks and ultimate bottom-out resistance, the Coilover Bypass kit is the best option for the avid off-roader. 2.5″ Coilover and 2-Tube, 2.5″ bypasses adorn the front wheel well, while 3-Tube Rear Bypasses and Full Progressive Leaf Springs round off the rear. This system maintains great on-road manners and is the most off-road capable of our 4.5″ lift lineup."
https://carlisuspension.com/product/...ystem-copy-11/
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Do you have a link to the article or write up on this?
I am going to send PMF an email about the travel numbers going with a coilover suspension setup versus a seprate coil spring and separate shock to see what they say.
Just looking at the way, it's mounted on PMF's website, it seems like you could use a longer shock and get more travel out of the way that PMF mounts the coilover. I could see it adding some complexity but I don't see that being an issue.
I am going to send PMF an email about the travel numbers going with a coilover suspension setup versus a seprate coil spring and separate shock to see what they say.
Just looking at the way, it's mounted on PMF's website, it seems like you could use a longer shock and get more travel out of the way that PMF mounts the coilover. I could see it adding some complexity but I don't see that being an issue.
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Also, here is the link and the description of Carli's coilover system for the 11-16 super duty's
"Providing height adjustability, dual front shocks and ultimate bottom-out resistance, the Coilover Bypass kit is the best option for the avid off-roader. 2.5″ Coilover and 2-Tube, 2.5″ bypasses adorn the front wheel well, while 3-Tube Rear Bypasses and Full Progressive Leaf Springs round off the rear. This system maintains great on-road manners and is the most off-road capable of our 4.5″ lift lineup."
https://carlisuspension.com/product/...ystem-copy-11/
"Providing height adjustability, dual front shocks and ultimate bottom-out resistance, the Coilover Bypass kit is the best option for the avid off-roader. 2.5″ Coilover and 2-Tube, 2.5″ bypasses adorn the front wheel well, while 3-Tube Rear Bypasses and Full Progressive Leaf Springs round off the rear. This system maintains great on-road manners and is the most off-road capable of our 4.5″ lift lineup."
https://carlisuspension.com/product/...ystem-copy-11/
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