Notices
1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks 1987 - 1996 Ford F-150, F-250, F-350 and larger pickups - including the 1997 heavy-duty F250/F350+ trucks

Ideal 351 build

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Feb 17, 2022 | 03:47 PM
  #1  
Split70's Avatar
Split70
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Feb 2022
Posts: 2
Likes: 3
From: Oklahoma City
Ideal 351 build

Picked up a clean 94 Swb , 4 wheel drive with 35’s , E40D has a bad 302 in it . Already bought a 351W out of a 1995 f250 . I have read many threads on cam selections etc . This will be stock crank and rod deal with some 30 over hyper or forged pistons , installing 456 gears , fresh tranny and convertor . Needing help on head selection 165’s or 185’s was leaning toward the Afr’s ? And ideal cam ? Looking to keep compression around 9.5 for an ideal pump
gas set up . I have race cars and this is not one , healthy , reliable , torque and good sounding cruiser is what I’m looking for .

 
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2022 | 03:57 PM
  #2  
SFaulken's Avatar
SFaulken
Cargo Master
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 2,190
Likes: 620
If you're not putting a Monstrously huge camshaft in it, the 165cc AFR's will be more than enough head for most 351W's.
 
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2022 | 03:59 PM
  #3  
shadowplane676's Avatar
shadowplane676
Mountain Pass
Joined: Oct 2020
Posts: 159
Likes: 35
Can't say much on heads, I went with GT40s on my 351w. As for the cam, a good daily/low end cam is the 35-512-8. There's another one slightly more high strung but still SD compatible. 35-3xx-8 something, maybe 349?
 
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2022 | 04:46 PM
  #4  
Split70's Avatar
Split70
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Feb 2022
Posts: 2
Likes: 3
From: Oklahoma City
Ya I had a couple in mind Comp 35-510-8 , Comp 35-349-8 not sure it would really be needed to go custom cam or not but not against it . Wanting to maximize the heads .
 
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2022 | 06:55 PM
  #5  
torq'ta 5 8's Avatar
torq'ta 5 8
Lead Driver
5 Year Member
Shutterbug
Liked
Loved
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 5,070
Likes: 863
From: N.W. Alabama
Really Nice Truck, I put 1.7 rollers, on mine to make lift go to 0.471, and a set of Pro Comp 2.02" intake, aluminum heads, that I horse traded with buddy taking his back to stock for his son, and I was upgrading for my son(go figure) for no more than I got in them they are great, until about 4100rpm, they start leaning out pretty quick, I would stay 1.90" intake, to keep some of the torque I lost with 2.02's, I installed the 1.7's later when I got A/F meter in and seemed like putting 1.7's would help, and it did leaned right out in upper rpm's, so watch A/F, no matter what you do. O, mine dynoed @ 183hp @ 3,900rpm, 293tq @ 2,900rpm, with just ported upper/lower intake, dyno shop closed down sold to dryclean business, Still want to get dynoed now that heads are on.
 
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2022 | 07:17 PM
  #6  
tbart16's Avatar
tbart16
Mountain Pass
15 Year Member
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 181
Likes: 0
From: Andreas,Pa
I'm looking at doing something similar with my 97 F350.. plus some exhaust work.. how does all this work with the trucks computer?
 
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2022 | 07:30 PM
  #7  
torq'ta 5 8's Avatar
torq'ta 5 8
Lead Driver
5 Year Member
Shutterbug
Liked
Loved
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 5,070
Likes: 863
From: N.W. Alabama
Mine goes fine with added fuel pressure(35psi), unless cool day(less than 80*), then it gets in the 13.5-13.9 A/F, righ before shifting at WOT, winter it will go lean 14.4-15.3 @ 4300rpm, when temps dip below 60*, its an absolute blast to drive.
 
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2022 | 08:57 PM
  #8  
Hit Man X's Avatar
Hit Man X
Lead Driver
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 9,519
Likes: 2,028
From: North Texas
Run more gear. You have to make up for the mass of the 35s, not only their height.

I would run TFS heads. More cubes eat more cam. Stroker kits cheap for a 9.5" deck. Look into it before buying anything.
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

 Brett Foote
story-2

Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

 Joe Kucinski
story-3

AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

 Brett Foote
story-4

Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-5

Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

 Joe Kucinski
story-7

2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

 Brett Foote
story-8

2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-9

10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

 Joe Kucinski
Old Feb 17, 2022 | 10:48 PM
  #9  
wwhite's Avatar
wwhite
Logistics Pro
10 Year Member
Community Influencer
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 3,556
Likes: 851
Originally Posted by Split70
Ya I had a couple in mind Comp 35-510-8 , Comp 35-349-8 not sure it would really be needed to go custom cam or not but not against it . Wanting to maximize the heads .
Yes on the 35-510-8, XE258HR-12 I believe. That is what I bought 3-4 years ago.
If I were to guess, the
35-349-8, XE264HR-14, will give you better idle, probably more torque at a lower rpm.

I have a 2wd and the cam I selected works 100%.
If I had a 4wd, and was doing strictly mud drags, I'd go with the same.
If I had a 4wd and was doing trails, hills and rocks, probably go with the XE264HR-14.

Maybe I have it backwards, I don't know, only built 2 engines.

If your maximizing heads, get bare heads, and take them to a machine/head/engine shop. Should cost the same as an off the shelf head, but will be perfect for your application.

BEAWARE: Ordering parts on line right now are hit and miss, quick vs slow vs never.

 
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2022 | 10:59 PM
  #10  
wwhite's Avatar
wwhite
Logistics Pro
10 Year Member
Community Influencer
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 3,556
Likes: 851
Originally Posted by tbart16
I'm looking at doing something similar with my 97 F350.. plus some exhaust work.. how does all this work with the trucks computer?
If you've made some changes to the heart of the vehicle(the engine), then you need to make changes to the brain of the heart(the PCM/EEC-x).

Minor changes here and there, the computer will compensate.
Major changes to cubic inches, air flow in, fuel, exhaust will require changes as the computer will max out its compensation limits. Usually idle goes first, then hard starting and consistent drivability issues will appear.
 
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2022 | 11:13 PM
  #11  
wwhite's Avatar
wwhite
Logistics Pro
10 Year Member
Community Influencer
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 3,556
Likes: 851
Originally Posted by torq'ta 5 8
Really Nice Truck, I put 1.7 rollers, on mine to make lift go to 0.471, and a set of Pro Comp 2.02" intake, aluminum heads, that I horse traded with buddy taking his back to stock for his son, and I was upgrading for my son(go figure) for no more than I got in them they are great, until about 4100rpm, they start leaning out pretty quick, I would stay 1.90" intake, to keep some of the torque I lost with 2.02's, I installed the 1.7's later when I got A/F meter in and seemed like putting 1.7's would help, and it did leaned right out in upper rpm's, so watch A/F, no matter what you do. O, mine dynoed @ 183hp @ 3,900rpm, 293tq @ 2,900rpm, with just ported upper/lower intake, dyno shop closed down sold to dryclean business, Still want to get dynoed now that heads are on.
What cam are you running?

No dyno shop where I live either.
Using a piggy back computer, I've been able to log HP and TQ , it's a built in dyno.
 
Reply
Old Feb 18, 2022 | 05:12 AM
  #12  
torq'ta 5 8's Avatar
torq'ta 5 8
Lead Driver
5 Year Member
Shutterbug
Liked
Loved
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 5,070
Likes: 863
From: N.W. Alabama
Stock with 1.72's
 
Reply
Old Feb 18, 2022 | 09:43 AM
  #13  
tommywvk's Avatar
tommywvk
Cross-Country
Joined: Mar 2020
Posts: 51
Likes: 6
From: SJ TX
Originally Posted by shadowplane676
Can't say much on heads, I went with GT40s on my 351w. As for the cam, a good daily/low end cam is the 35-512-8. There's another one slightly more high strung but still SD compatible. 35-3xx-8 something, maybe 349?
I am running the 35-349-8 / XE264HR cam in my 351w with e4od but it is currently stock rods and pistons and e7te heads and 1.6 roller rockers.. Good cam, can hear it at idle, but I am running MAF. Truck is currently on 31s 2wd but is about to be on 33s/37s on a dana 50 and sterling 10.50. I dont know if SD would like the cam very much, I am fixing to buy a PiMPxShift ecu before installing AFR Renegade 185s. Truck doesnt have a whole ton of torque, my 5.4 with almost 400k feels like it has more torque( also atleast twice or triple the weight), but the 351 takes it in the top end but doesnt like to rev with the super restrictive heads. EDIT: should also say both trucks currently have 3.73s.
 
Reply
Old Feb 25, 2022 | 05:38 AM
  #14  
Zrt1200's Avatar
Zrt1200
Mountain Pass
Joined: Sep 2020
Posts: 249
Likes: 19
From: Mid Michigan
Originally Posted by torq'ta 5 8
Really Nice Truck, I put 1.7 rollers, on mine to make lift go to 0.471, and a set of Pro Comp 2.02" intake, aluminum heads, that I horse traded with buddy taking his back to stock for his son, and I was upgrading for my son(go figure) for no more than I got in them they are great, until about 4100rpm, they start leaning out pretty quick, I would stay 1.90" intake, to keep some of the torque I lost with 2.02's, I installed the 1.7's later when I got A/F meter in and seemed like putting 1.7's would help, and it did leaned right out in upper rpm's, so watch A/F, no matter what you do. O, mine dynoed @ 183hp @ 3,900rpm, 293tq @ 2,900rpm, with just ported upper/lower intake, dyno shop closed down sold to dryclean business, Still want to get dynoed now that heads are on.
Originally Posted by torq'ta 5 8
Mine goes fine with added fuel pressure(35psi), unless cool day(less than 80*), then it gets in the 13.5-13.9 A/F, righ before shifting at WOT, winter it will go lean 14.4-15.3 @ 4300rpm, when temps dip below 60*, its an absolute blast to drive.
Curious here. Have you tried upping the fuel pressure more or installing 21lb injectors??
 
Reply
Old Feb 25, 2022 | 02:16 PM
  #15  
Mudsport96's Avatar
Mudsport96
Logistics Pro
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 3,716
Likes: 583
From: Chillicothe
Xe264 cam
165 heads
port the stock lower to mate to a 5.0 upper
and do 4.88s they will be highway manageable at 65 it will be spinning 2100.
Make sure to get GOOD pistons that are flush with the deck. Basic rebuilder pistons tend to be down the hole and give crap quech, leading to detonation.
 
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:21 AM.

story-0
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

Slideshow: 10 most expensive Ford trucks ever sold on Bring a Trailer.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:24:34


VIEW MORE
story-1
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

Here's everything that has changed for the latest model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-27 16:17:28


VIEW MORE
story-2
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-3
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-4
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-5
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-6
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-7
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-8
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

Slideshow: 10 most surprising Ford truck options/features in 2026.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:17:22


VIEW MORE