Just bought a 2003 F-250 6.0. Always liked the power of a diesel but did not care for the noise. I thought The new 6.0 was quiet enough to live with so I bought one. The new truck would die, spit & sputter & smoke a lot on start up. I brought the truck to the dealer for this problem along with a steering problem. The truck wandered all over the place, they put a new (re-built) steering gear in & now the steering is just plain sloppy. As for the engine , they re- programmed the pcm and now it runs ok BUT, it's almost as loud as a 7.3! Called the dealer & they read the update to me & it said this update disables the pilot injectors & the engine sound levels may slightly increase. It is my understanding that the pilot injectors are a major part of the "quiet" mode on the new diesels. I told the dealer to deprogram the computer & I would live with it, they said "we can't ". At this point I'm waiting for an area rep to call . I wish I would have found this web site BEFORE I bought this truck!

 

So you would rather have a poor running quite truck over a good running noisy truck?

 

No, after dropping close to 40 grand on a brand new truck, he shouldn't have to sacrifice ANYTHING! Work with the rep all the way up to getting a new truck- you are entitled to a quiet, good-running truck! I'm still ecstatic over my March 3rd built dually.

 

Yep, the new reflash eliminates one of the two pilot injections. The 6.0 fires the pilot injection twice before the main charge. This double time injection seems to be causing some of the smoking start ups and idle surge problems. So, fix it by eliminate it, great. So much for being a quiet diesel.

 

YEP.

makes all the duramax's i work around sound like toyota hybrids! you wanna quiet diesel, go get an isuzu (duramax).

 

I just want what I paid for! The truck that Ford advertised as being "quiet". Not one that after the purchase they say "oops, we were just kidding about that quiet thing. After all, you bought a diesel what were you expecting?".Truck just turned 2,000 mi, checked oil when new, was half way between add & full. Checked again @ 1,000 mi. same thing checked @ 1,800 still good. checked @2,000 mi. 2 days after flash, looks to be about 3 quarts over full. Called dealer to ask what I thought was stupid smart mouth question "My truck seems to have way more oil in it than it should, can I keep driving it?". They are going to call me back & let me know! I'm guessing this is just raw fuel, & where else could could it come from but past the rings & down the cylinder walls.NO GOOD! I've e-mailed Bullydog to see if they have any answers, no reply yet. Test drove a Dodge 1500 Hemi last night (can you tell I'm fet-up with this 6.0 & diesels in general )It was o.k. but could not compare to what I have now, I'm not quite that fet-up yet. That's just my opinion so any Dodge fans out there just settle down!! Still waiting for Ford Rep to call, they said it would be within 3 days, today is day 3. Oh, as far as the duramax goes, are the still blowing the heads off of them? or did they fix that little problem.

 

doh!

man that sucks.

whats the build date on yer engine? mine is 5/3, the supposed day the problems were solved?? anyhoo, i have not had any oil level changes in mine, i do watch it VERY close!

i can say, i will sell this truck @ 90k, so it will have 10k left on warranty for the new owner....i would never own this truck without a warranty.....sucks when you pay that much. i am confidant ford will get all problems resolved however, and if you jump ship now, you may be kicking yourself if you do anything rash./...


good luck, and i hope yer probs are solved soon!


ohh, and as for the dmax durability, i talked to our diesel tech here, he has never heard of them "blowing the heads off" or even head gasket problems, one or two, but nothing like it's a serious problem.

as has been said a million times, pissed off customers scream loud, satisfied ones are silent....for every 20 complaints you hear, there are probobly thousands who have no problems.

 

MN60..I"had "a great running truck no romps no dead pedal good milage..22 on the highway WHEN taking it easy....my sob dealer REFLASHED the truck without my permission or knowledge..was i pissed!!!! so I have them replacing my "module from one that still had the split injection and no other problems..and they will keep my current one for a couple of weeks to see if IM happy...if not the original reflashed one goes back in and I will be dealing with west coast Ford rep me ,our my LAYWER...

new problems since this unauthorized reflash..
- poorer milage
- much louder
- vibration @ idle
-slightly longer ignition starting
- smell of diesel in cab on start-up...too rich setting?
- still smokes on cold startups

still have trans leak
still have wandering problems

NOT what I expect for $ 60 K Canadian

2003 KING RANCH CREW SRW

 

Build date 4/03
I stand corrected on how fuel gets into the oil. Talked to a diesel mechanic today who used to work for Ford. says when the injectors leak it's not into the cylinder but back into the oil that feeds the injector. As far as the duramax goes I have 3 friends who have them & love e'm. I also do business with a number of towing companys, one of them bought a few trucks with the duramax & had some head problems, that's where I came up with blowing the heads off, don't take it too literally. O.k. one other sad thing I heard today, the mechanic I talked to worked at Ford for over 5 years, said the 7.3 was still the best diesel offered in a light truck. I said "how abuot the 6.0"? He replied "get a duramax". Not what I wanted to hear!
Still no word from the from the Ford rep.

 

I did not take your remark literal... hope you did not take offense to anyhting in my post, it really was not meant in a negative way.

well, you may indeed have the older injectors, with the leak problem...no matter how it gets there, fuel in your oil will murder your bearings, and wash the cyls from the bottom side....funny how ford replaces the turbo when fuel is found in the oil, but i assume they expect by the time you have a rod or main bearing failure, you will be outside of warranty, thus they dont replace the entire engine....sounds like they learned the hard way the turbo bearings fail real quck....

wonder what would happen if one were to pour diesel down the dipstick tube, say....2 gallons...then drive the truck?

wait, don't do that, i was just wondering :evil:

saw your other post as well....you need a new dealership!

good luck once again.

 

Was not offended in any way. I like you're idea about the oil, but my guess is, it will fill the crank case with fuel all on it's own.

 

Mine has a build date of 5/23 or 5/27, can't remember and it's too much work to go out the garage and look on crutches. I had the flash done yesterday. I'm not really sure I needed it but I agreed to it. Mine had two incidents of no power where I had to shut the truck off and re-start it so I thought that might fix it. Turns out the power problem was a turbo actuator.

It was interesting on the work order. To justify the flash they lied. There's some verbiage on there that I never said or experienced. Something to do with not going in reverse, smoking and rough running at idle. I thought I had the wrong work order for a minute until I realized they lied on my behalf.

I drove the truck today for about 200 miles and I think, if anything, it's a little quieter. Mine was already pretty loud so I was really not looking forward to it being any louder. It is much louder than my 01 dmax, especially at cold startup, which I've never been happy about. I'll have to drive it some more to see if my perception today was right. Maybe I already had the newer pilot injection software. Mileage seems to be up, too.

 

Can somebody explaine "dead pedal" , does this meen no response, slow response , or what?

 

Try this when checking your oil. Remove the dipstick, wipe off and leave out for 15 minutes. Re-insert and see what the level reads. I've found that due to the sizes of the plug on the end of the dipstick and the tube that houses it, oil is dragged up the tube everytime it is removed. Allowing 15 minutes to go by allows the oil to drain back down.
Hope this works for you.

 

Thank's, I tried that but it's the same.