i never said the d-max itself was underpowered its just thats the usual patern whith Zus. They may feel a little slugish (as people here have said they are) but they will pull a tree out of the ground.

 

Our stock certificates are in our safety deposit box. Why do you want to see a picture of one?

My point about dealer service is that it should be at least as important, if not more so, than brand. I ordered out a beautiful 99 3/4 ton 454 'burb from the local GMC dealer. Loved the truck but I totally hated the dealership's service dept. I will never buy another truck from them.

Customer first is a nice notion but has gone the way of the dodo bird for large companies. Oh, they still talk a good line and make you think they have your interest at heart but they only put on that mask to get you to help them with their bottom line. Maybe overly cynical but I've worked in the same HUGE company for 25 years and I've seen the change for the worse in my company and many others. It's sort of out of their hands a bit, though. If they don't produce in this fast moving, global economy, they'll go broke in a hurry. Most companies just can't afford to do business the old fashioned way.

Trust me when I tell you that a large publicly held company listens to it's major stock holders first and foremost.

 

Sorry, it sure sounded like you were implying that. My apologies if that's not what you meant.
What may feel a little sluggish? Are you talking about dmax's here or some other Izuzu motor?

 

Jeb, I read your previous post, It was something, something, something, I like KTM's, something, something,something..L
Knew I liked you for some reason!
Ive got nearly 30 years on bikes, and I Love My Ktm's.
300 exc, 520 Exc, 200 Exc.. And an sx 50 pro Jr..
Gotta work on that Honda quad part though, L

O.k resume the diesel wars!

Ron
00 Excursion limited 4x4 V-10

 

I put that in just for you, Ron. Are you on ktmtalk, too?

04 250EXC 2t, 03 450EXC, 01 400EXC, 99 250EXC, 99 200EXC, 98 125EXC, 98 380MXC, 96 KDX200

 

Dodge Ford Chevy
Displacement 359/5.9 363/5.95 403/6.6
MFG Power rating 305@2900 325@3300 300@3000
Mfg torgue rating 555@1400 560@2000 520@1800
1/4m empty 16.96@79.30 17.56@83.42 17.75@81.22
1/4m 1/2 payload 17.79@77.89 18.26@79.73 18.54@78.54
1/4m towing(7000) 22.70@60.84 21.78@64.43 22.68@62.70

Four Wheeler August 2003

While it is cool to see trucks of these size haul but off of stoplight I have to agree w/ most saying that these are designed and built for towing. As everyone can see all of these stock trucks are very close to each other, except for the 1/4 mile time towing. I'm am still puzzled by how any one truck can blow the doors off another one unless they start modifing. The famous praise comes to mind then, "he who has the most money goes the fastest. There is also a lot to be said for driving ability in some of these street races. In my opinion it is a matter of personal preferrance. The dodge is real impressive due to the amount of torque at such a low rpm. If I could afford any of these trucks (yeah right) My choice would be the F350 crew cab. Love the styling and I have had great luck with full size Ford trucks. Just my .02

 

Sorry about the jumbled mess up top. Here it is again. Hopefully it comes out better.




Dodge
Displacement 359/5.9
MFG Power rating 305@2900
Mfg torgue rating 555@1400
1/4m empty 16.96@79.30
1/4m 1/2 payload 17.79@77.89
1/4m towing(7000) 22.70@60.84

Ford
Displacement 363/5.95
MFG Power rating 325@3300
Mfg torgue rating 560@2000
1/4m empty 17.56@83.42
1/4m 1/2 payload 18.26@79.73
1/4m towing(7000lbs) 21.78@64.43

Chevy
Displacement 403/6.6
MFG Power rating 300@3000
Mfg torgue rating 520@1800
1/4m empty 17.75@81.22
1/4m 1/2 payload 18.54@78.54
1/4m towing(7000lbs) 22.68@62.70

 

was that with the 6.0 or 7.3?

 

It was a 6.0L. Sorry, about the stats on the new trucks, I don't know what I was thinking. The original post was comparing the 7.3L.

 

it is still great info, thanks.

ohh, but wait, the duyramax must still be a turd.

continue the bashing!

 

I don't believe that statement about {out of company hands,, globel economy} it got nothing to do with that,, its still that greedy $$$ ...

that way most things are made in CHINA,,TWAIN., and other company oever sea..CHEAP CHEAP labor SLAVES..


thats I know problem with company listen to the major stock holder,,,

ARE bunch,bunch,, bunch..greedy money lover,,, dumb idiots,idiots ,,college education peoples..
smarts people I have met are self taught people..

1 more question I like to ask you is why chev don't put diesel in any of their suburban any more,,,and
why didn't you just put canopy on your 01 dmax truck ,,if it was crewcab,,, that way it would be just like a SUBURBAN,,
I dont know why people out their just do that,,,

it make 100% better more since//you would have a dual purpose
vehicles ==a suburban and pickup truck,, thats why I say THINGs and comments people just don't thinks any thing anymore,,thats why japan peoples are so SMART
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I'm not quite sure what your point is but, as I said, I've seen the change in econmics from the inside. When the USA companies have to compete against the companies, US or foreign, that can produce a quality product for much less money, it forces changes. They can't afford all the customer satisfaction stuff they used to be able to dish out. Margins are slim. Wall Street is cold and un-caring. "What have you done for me lately" has replaced the old saying of "Customer is Job 1".
Again, I'm a little unsure of what you're saying. Are you saying I'm not smart becuase I didn't make some choice you think would be better for me?

I did have a nice fiberglass topper on my dmax. Here's a picture of it. That didn't work for me as well as a suburban. I have 3 dogs in kennels in the back for about 3 months of the year hunting pheasant's. It gets pretty cold up here in Dec and January so I like the idea of having them in a heated area. Plus, I like having a rear window defroster and wiper and the flexibility to put the 3rd seat in and haul a crowd. I had 3 suburbans leading up the dmax and missed their versatility.

Apparently, the floorpan on the newer 'burbs won't accept the Allison tranny, the only auto option with the dmax. Rumors were flying that GM was going to fix that but it never came around and I got tired of waiting.

 

no I never meant or tried to quote,,to say you are not smart,, I just ask did you ever think about putting a canopy on it,,[ it was
nice and clean looking chev truck,,][special for beening a c word pickup vehicles] it look just like a suburbans ,with a canopy on it..

I though hunting dogs like cold weather//
I thought the frame and the floor plan of chev & suburbans were the same,, [ thats GM corp always behind]

also did you know henry ford devlop the first pickup in 1925,, I saw that on the history channel last nite..
p.s remember ford is number 1 { always have & always will}

 

Watched the same show last night. It was so-so, I thought. Kind of fluffy at times.

My hunting dogs live outside and do like cold weather but when you get back from a 3 mile walk in 2 feet deep snow, they're just a mass of ice ***** in their feet and coat. They're not sled dogs so they can get overly cold. Having them in a heated truck allows them to get rid of a lot of that and warm up a bit.

We get temps down to 30f below zero up here. We'll get weeks in the winter when it never goes above 0f all week long. When it gets to 0f or so, I'll turn the dog house heaters on. I don't want to ruin their winter coats but there's a point where it's just too cold.

Ford is not #1 to me. They're just another brand to choose from.

 

I also read about the new diesel shootout in Four wheeler. According to it there really is no comparison at all. They said no matter how hard they tried to beat the Ford with one of the other brands it could not be done. Dont believe it read it for yourself!