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Old Jan 11, 2022 | 02:52 PM
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How was the truck running before replacing the starter? Did you have the battery disconnected while changing the starter?
 
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Old Jan 11, 2022 | 02:53 PM
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Also, have you checked for codes? The CEL does not have to be on for there to be codes.
 
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Old Jan 12, 2022 | 03:27 AM
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How was the truck running before replacing the starter? Did you have the battery disconnected while changing the starter?
it was running great and yes I unhooked the battery before removing the old starter.
 
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Old Jan 12, 2022 | 03:28 AM
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Also, have you checked for codes? The CEL does not have to be on for there to be codes.
it's an 87 I don't think there's any way to get codes.
 
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Old Jan 12, 2022 | 06:32 AM
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yes, the easy button, ($35)Innova 3145 OBD I ford code reader, or free, if your good at counting flashes, I'm not it always comes out 122, 221, or 8675309(thats not rite!)
see 2 links below, you should get 2 digit codes
Fuel Injection Technical Library » How To Run a Self-Test
(16) How to read a check engine light code on a Ford 1983-1995 EEC 4 system - YouTube
 
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Old Jan 12, 2022 | 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by torq'ta 5 8
yes, the easy button, ($35)Innova 3145 OBD I ford code reader, or free, if your good at counting flashes, I'm not it always comes out 122, 221, or 8675309(thats not rite!)
see 2 links below, you should get 2 digit codes
Fuel Injection Technical Library » How To Run a Self-Test
(16) How to read a check engine light code on a Ford 1983-1995 EEC 4 system - YouTube
Thank you very much . I appreciate it.
 
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Old Jan 12, 2022 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by torq'ta 5 8
yes, the easy button, ($35)Innova 3145 OBD I ford code reader, or free, if your good at counting flashes, I'm not it always comes out 122, 221, or 8675309(thats not rite!)
see 2 links below, you should get 2 digit codes
Fuel Injection Technical Library » How To Run a Self-Test
(16) How to read a check engine light code on a Ford 1983-1995 EEC 4 system - YouTube
Beat me to to it, Also
https://www.f150forum.com/f10/how-retrieve-trouble-codes-obdi-10907/
Or if you'
re like me and need to read more modern cars/trucks, I got an Innova 3170 with the adapters. works great also.
 
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Old Jan 12, 2022 | 10:51 AM
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Might check to see if you have fuel pressure at the fuel rail by depressing the Schrader valve on the fuel rail with the key in the run position. Fuel should squirt out. Check the pressure with a gauge if you have access to one. If you have pressure my bet is on bad ECM not triggering the injectors.
 
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Old Jan 12, 2022 | 11:06 AM
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I was going to reply with something like how the heck do you mess up a PCM by swapping out the starter. But I guess you could possible do some damage when hooking up the battery. About half way through my reply, it dawns on me that they do reset their memory if disconnected for a period of time, when this happens, it will run the pumps continuously until it starts the truck. May have missed this info above, but Does it kick over if you use starter fluid? If not, are you sure you are getting spark?
 
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Old Jan 12, 2022 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by torq'ta 5 8
if your good at counting flashes, I'm not it always comes out 122, 221, or 8675309(thats not rite!)
Same here. That’s why I have a code reader.

Originally Posted by sswari
About half way through my reply, it dawns on me that they do reset their memory if disconnected for a period of time, when this happens, it will run the pumps continuously until it starts the truck.
Umm…..no. Just because you disconnected the battery for a while it should not run the pump for more than a couple seconds.
 
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Old Jan 12, 2022 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by sswari
About half way through my reply, it dawns on me that they do reset their memory if disconnected for a period of time, when this happens, it will run the pumps continuously until it starts the truck.

I completely disagree with your statement. Why would resetting the power to the computer cause it to run continuously when you cycle the key from the Off to Run position?

That function is hard coded in the computer. No amount of power cycling or clearing codes is ever going to change the hard coding. As I stated before the most common symptom of a bad computer is the fuel pump runs continuously when you cycle the key from Off to Run. This caused by the timer inside the computer not resetting. Whether or not you physically see any burned or leaking components inside the computer case is luck of the draw.

If the OP can actually get any codes out of the computer remains to be seen. I suspect, as others have found, there will most likely be no codes. Another sign of a bad computer. If they do get codes they may be gibberish.

For the sake of the OP's wallet thickness I hope they can find some other tangible clue that replacing the computer is the most likely resolution here.
 
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Old Jan 13, 2022 | 10:40 AM
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I completely disagree with your statement. Why would resetting the power to the computer cause it to run continuously when you cycle the key from the Off to Run position?

That function is hard coded in the computer. No amount of power cycling or clearing codes is ever going to change the hard coding. As I stated before the most common symptom of a bad computer is the fuel pump runs continuously when you cycle the key from Off to Run. This caused by the timer inside the computer not resetting. Whether or not you physically see any burned or leaking components inside the computer case is luck of the draw.

If the OP can actually get any codes out of the computer remains to be seen. I suspect, as others have found, there will most likely be no codes. Another sign of a bad computer. If they do get codes they may be gibberish.

For the sake of the OP's wallet thickness I hope they can find some other tangible clue that replacing the computer is the most likely resolution here.
I reinstalled the old computer, the switch is on and the shrader has pressure. Is that a bad computer?
 
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Old Jan 13, 2022 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Guitarjohnny
Might check to see if you have fuel pressure at the fuel rail by depressing the Schrader valve on the fuel rail with the key in the run position. Fuel should squirt out. Check the pressure with a gauge if you have access to one. If you have pressure my bet is on bad ECM not triggering the injectors.
ok I have pressure at the shrader just no gas to the injectors.
 
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Old Jan 13, 2022 | 11:17 AM
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What is it going to take for you to believe everyone that has already pointed out what your problem is? You have a broken PCM and no action beside replacing it will get your truck running again.
 
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Old Jan 13, 2022 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Donjr1973
I reinstalled the old computer, the switch is on and the shrader has pressure. Is that a bad computer?
You have pressure since the fuel pumps are running continuously. But the injectors are not getting pulsed since the computer is bad.
 
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