New fifth towing question
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New fifth towing question
I am considering up grading to a fifth wheel trailer and wondered how my truck will handle it. I have a 2016 f250 xl 6.2l. It has 2960lb payload but I added 2 rear leaf springs that say they add a out 1500 to the total payload. The trailer I am looking at is an aritc wolf 287bh. It is roughly 8400lbs dry and a gvwr of around 11. Pin weight dry is around 1300. Has anyone towed that trailer or anything similar with a truck similar to mine? If so how did it do? Was it stable, how did it handle the weight, etc...
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Dry weights mean nothing. Nobody goes camping at those weights. The expected pin weight is usually 20% to 25% of the GVWR, or 2200 to 2750 lbs. With just the trailer you're going to be close to your cargo capacity. Add passengers and some cargo in the bed and you'll be over cargo capacity.
The cargo capacity is more than the just springs. It's the axle, the tires, springs, shackles, etc. Nothing you do will change the cargo capacity sticker on the driver's door frame. It's set in stone. But if a cop (with the right equipment) stops you, the sticker isn't what he'll go off of. It will be the tire weight rating and what you're registered for.
The cargo capacity is more than the just springs. It's the axle, the tires, springs, shackles, etc. Nothing you do will change the cargo capacity sticker on the driver's door frame. It's set in stone. But if a cop (with the right equipment) stops you, the sticker isn't what he'll go off of. It will be the tire weight rating and what you're registered for.
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Dry weights mean nothing. Nobody goes camping at those weights. The expected pin weight is usually 20% to 25% of the GVWR, or 2200 to 2750 lbs. With just the trailer you're going to be close to your cargo capacity. Add passengers and some cargo in the bed and you'll be over cargo capacity.
The cargo capacity is more than the just springs. It's the axle, the tires, springs, shackles, etc. Nothing you do will change the cargo capacity sticker on the driver's door frame. It's set in stone. But if a cop (with the right equipment) stops you, the sticker isn't what he'll go off of. It will be the tire weight rating and what you're registered for.
The cargo capacity is more than the just springs. It's the axle, the tires, springs, shackles, etc. Nothing you do will change the cargo capacity sticker on the driver's door frame. It's set in stone. But if a cop (with the right equipment) stops you, the sticker isn't what he'll go off of. It will be the tire weight rating and what you're registered for.
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I knew it was around 11000 or so. Just making an estimate.
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I'm a bit twiddler. I don't like basing answers off of estimates. In this case, the extra 525 lbs of GVWR adds 105 lbs to your pin weight.
My bumper pull toy hauler has an 11,000 lb GVWR. It routinely hits the road at 10K according to the CAT Scale printout.
My bumper pull toy hauler has an 11,000 lb GVWR. It routinely hits the road at 10K according to the CAT Scale printout.
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I understand the dry weights and things. My assumption is the whole trailer will weight closer to 10000lbs when loaded and. With that and the truck (I know what that weights ready to camp as I weighted it before) weight I should still be under the 19000lbs gcwvr for the truck. The springs may not add the 1500lbs of payload they claim but even if they only add 500lbs more that will help. I know I have a high weight rating on the tires so that should help too.
Not saying that you won't achieve your desired GWV, but it isn't easy and a pin weight of 1,300 lbs is really light for a 10,000lb 5'er. I would expect you will be closer to 2,000 lbs.
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All good. makes sense I just used an estimate because I forgot the original specs and didn't have the number in front of me
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here is the concern, dot cares about your axle and tire ratings and then are you registered to run that weight.
So as long as the GVW of the trailer and its actual pin weight do NOT exceed the tire or axle ratings you are good to go.
Register the truck for 11K and you should be fine.
Always go by the GVW of the trailer as before you know it, you will have that much in It with cargo, dishes, cloths and water and the not so nice water. Don't forget the propane and firewood.
We always travel with fresh water, many times we stay over night at Walmarts with the generator when going long distances.
So as long as the GVW of the trailer and its actual pin weight do NOT exceed the tire or axle ratings you are good to go.
Register the truck for 11K and you should be fine.
Always go by the GVW of the trailer as before you know it, you will have that much in It with cargo, dishes, cloths and water and the not so nice water. Don't forget the propane and firewood.
We always travel with fresh water, many times we stay over night at Walmarts with the generator when going long distances.
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Always a good idea to weigh your truck front and rear axles separately to see where you are now and how much weight you can add to the truck. Then weigh your whole setup--camper and all-- after it's loaded making sure to check weight on front and rear truck axles. I expect you'll be fine. And remember you don't have to load the camper to its max weight rating.
If I looked at the right camper it's 34 feet. That's about the max length I want to pull and maneuver but that's just my personal preference.
If I looked at the right camper it's 34 feet. That's about the max length I want to pull and maneuver but that's just my personal preference.
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I tow a Grand Design Solitude 2930RL which weighs about 13K ready to camp. It's a full profile 5th that's 8'6" wide and 13'6" tall. Measured pin weight is 2700lbs, and my payload is just short of 3200lbs in my 2019 f250 6.2. Stability and braking are very good, tows well in 5th gear on the flats, revs on hills. Overall I'm very impressed with how it tows.
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I tow a Grand Design Solitude 2930RL which weighs about 13K ready to camp. It's a full profile 5th that's 8'6" wide and 13'6" tall. Measured pin weight is 2700lbs, and my payload is just short of 3200lbs in my 2019 f250 6.2. Stability and braking are very good, tows well in 5th gear on the flats, revs on hills. Overall I'm very impressed with how it tows.