MPG Equivalent
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MPG Equivalent
I'm trying to see what the energy cost per mile is going to be on the Lightning but so far, I've found nothing helpful.
Anyone come across a KWM to MPG equivalent that will put real numbers on how much it will cost to go 100 miles?
Thanks,
CCL
Anyone come across a KWM to MPG equivalent that will put real numbers on how much it will cost to go 100 miles?
Thanks,
CCL
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It’s tough to get an accurate number; at this point everyone is making educated guesses. The Union of Concerned Scientists pegs the efficiency around 0.5 kWh/mi, which sounds relatively optimistic to me. But it’s probably not far off. So your actual running costs will be directly related to your electric rate. For comparison, my ‘19 Tesla Model 3 was rated for 0.22 kWh/mi, and it cost me around $50/mo to drive 2,000 miles with my cheap off-peak 0.73 cents/kWh electric rate.
https://www.greencarreports.com/news...-with-the-grid
https://www.greencarreports.com/news...-with-the-grid
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I saw that article. It's about a carbon foot print equivalent, not an MPG comparison.
Since Ford has tested this thing several thousand miles already, you'd think they could supply some chart depending on your electricity cost just to get a better idea of what the bottom line is going to look like.
Thanks,
CCL
Since Ford has tested this thing several thousand miles already, you'd think they could supply some chart depending on your electricity cost just to get a better idea of what the bottom line is going to look like.
Thanks,
CCL
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I saw that article. It's about a carbon foot print equivalent, not an MPG comparison.
Since Ford has tested this thing several thousand miles already, you'd think they could supply some chart depending on your electricity cost just to get a better idea of what the bottom line is going to look like.
Thanks,
CCL
Since Ford has tested this thing several thousand miles already, you'd think they could supply some chart depending on your electricity cost just to get a better idea of what the bottom line is going to look like.
Thanks,
CCL
“but the UCS estimates efficiency will be around 0.46 kilowatt-hours per mile to 0.50 kwh per mile—or 2.0-2.2 miles per kwh.”
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The formula has been discussed in another forum and is likely the most accurate I've seen to date. Have a look at this thread. Obviously the cost will vary by your current electric rate but that gets it close. so 67 MPGe it is. You will subtract from that loads you carry or pull, your driving habits, your location eg: mountains v flatland etc.
Ford has not released any "EPA estimated" as of yet so if that's what you're looking for you can stop, it does not exist. The thread linked above uses the trucks specs and electrical properties to determine it.
Ford has not released any "EPA estimated" as of yet so if that's what you're looking for you can stop, it does not exist. The thread linked above uses the trucks specs and electrical properties to determine it.
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I am expecting to see 62 MPGe (67 city and 57 highway)
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My home uses 50 KWH a day averaged over the past 5 years. Adding the F150 will most likely double the KWH. My distribution costs double the actual power Costs. That being said if I could actually fit the F150 in with my needs, Its easy to pay $200 / $250 a month Electric bill............
.. but it cannot do what I need. Here is always your decision. Have you got enough ? 
Everyone wants this F150 to do well and it will with daily usages well under 200 miles driven. Can it get the job done for very active family usage. Well most all F150's are actually garage queens drive less than 100 miles a day and well below 3100 miles a month so the high average of families the answer is definitely it can do what you really need a pickup to do. go and get a lot of crap ! Can it actually do 500 HP. Yes it can but it also needs a 400 KW of power for a short period of time. Can it do it Yes ! Can it sustain that power draw for more than maybe a short time, U know it an iffy question. The point is its a great 400V vehicle that will work for some ! It is a great choice for the older groups obviously but many on the go families it is their needs at question !
I can also offer this. The SC long box is a no brainer for contractors if it ever happens and most all who want to pull trailers with mowers in them. so most likely you know its a daily driver.
.. but it cannot do what I need. Here is always your decision. Have you got enough ? Everyone wants this F150 to do well and it will with daily usages well under 200 miles driven. Can it get the job done for very active family usage. Well most all F150's are actually garage queens drive less than 100 miles a day and well below 3100 miles a month so the high average of families the answer is definitely it can do what you really need a pickup to do. go and get a lot of crap ! Can it actually do 500 HP. Yes it can but it also needs a 400 KW of power for a short period of time. Can it do it Yes ! Can it sustain that power draw for more than maybe a short time, U know it an iffy question. The point is its a great 400V vehicle that will work for some ! It is a great choice for the older groups obviously but many on the go families it is their needs at question !
I can also offer this. The SC long box is a no brainer for contractors if it ever happens and most all who want to pull trailers with mowers in them. so most likely you know its a daily driver.
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Cost over runs are a real PITA fact of normal USA life. most likely Excessive Cost over runs are a congruent effect of modern life !
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If you have 65oo lbs and travel at 75 mph you need 460 wh in a perfect world. I believe the Battery supplies 400 ish volts. That doesn't take in stop and go, accelerating, up hill down hill, passing wind resistance, snow, slippery roads etc. It doesn't include the Vehicles actual loss due to inefficacies.
I have read some theoretical studies that believe the Extended battery has around 165 KWH tops of usable power but it may be closer to 150/155. They base it on the actual charging times of the different Type chargers and reasonable driving ranges between choosing charges. Maybe tops charge of 80-85 % to 20% ish for long battery life. They choose not to fully charge constantly, but instead possibly once a week.
The EV Transit van may prove things rapidly with Delivery services advantages. Most likely constant stop and go, traffic and Burbs + large city entanglements. Maybe most all of these will be leased contracts of 1000's
I have read some theoretical studies that believe the Extended battery has around 165 KWH tops of usable power but it may be closer to 150/155. They base it on the actual charging times of the different Type chargers and reasonable driving ranges between choosing charges. Maybe tops charge of 80-85 % to 20% ish for long battery life. They choose not to fully charge constantly, but instead possibly once a week.
The EV Transit van may prove things rapidly with Delivery services advantages. Most likely constant stop and go, traffic and Burbs + large city entanglements. Maybe most all of these will be leased contracts of 1000's
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If you have 65oo lbs and travel at 75 mph you need 460 wh in a perfect world. I believe the Battery supplies 400 ish volts. That doesn't take in stop and go, accelerating, up hill down hill, passing wind resistance, snow, slippery roads etc. It doesn't include the Vehicles actual loss due to inefficacies.
I have read some theoretical studies that believe the Extended battery has around 165 KWH tops of usable power but it may be closer to 150/155. They base it on the actual charging times of the different Type chargers and reasonable driving ranges between choosing charges. Maybe tops charge of 80-85 % to 20% ish for long battery life. They choose not to fully charge constantly, but instead possibly once a week.
The EV Transit van may prove things rapidly with Delivery services advantages. Most likely constant stop and go, traffic and Burbs + large city entanglements. Maybe most all of these will be leased contracts of 1000's
I have read some theoretical studies that believe the Extended battery has around 165 KWH tops of usable power but it may be closer to 150/155. They base it on the actual charging times of the different Type chargers and reasonable driving ranges between choosing charges. Maybe tops charge of 80-85 % to 20% ish for long battery life. They choose not to fully charge constantly, but instead possibly once a week.
The EV Transit van may prove things rapidly with Delivery services advantages. Most likely constant stop and go, traffic and Burbs + large city entanglements. Maybe most all of these will be leased contracts of 1000's
The pack can be charged to 100% (usable) every day without any issues. Most EVs start their day fully charged to whatever level the user determines is needed per day. Can be 100%, 80%, 50% etc.
The idea of waiting for the SOC to drop down to 20% before charging isn't real world for most users. The vehicle should always be plugged in when parked if there is a plug available. There are several reasons for this, but being plugged in doesn't have to mean "charging".
Right now I spend about 1.8 cents per mile to fuel up my Mach-E with electricity. (data gathered from my first 24,000 miles of use)
If I trade it in for a Lightning when they are available to purchase then I expect the cost per mile to be 2.7 cents. Based on 6 cents per kW electricity rate while charging off peak at home.
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Everything I work Math wise and real world usages tells me its an average 4 hour driver between charges need to happen at averaged Interstate speeds. Of course its up to the driver and how those 4 hours pass. Electrics always are plugged in when not used/driven if available, most likely not available at most sites but its a no brainer.
For me knowing that the F150 is basically a 4 hour driver is great !
For me knowing that the F150 is basically a 4 hour driver is great !
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I did some napkin math this morning comparing the Lightning to my current 2016 Toyota Tundra which has been averaging 13 MPG @ $3.65/gallon.
My Tundra goes ~350 miles on ~27 gallons of fuel which works out to 3.57 miles per dollar, or $420 per month at 1,500 miles traveled per month.
The Lightning is 225 miles on 98 kWh of electricity which at $0.10/kWh is $9.80. That works out to 20.87 miles per dollar, or $72 per month at 1,500 miles traveled.
So at current gas prices, I would stand to save $348 per month for "fueling" my truck alone. That doesn't account for savings from no engine oil, no oil filters, etc.
Having said that, nobody has a clue how insurance companies are going to handle rates on these, or what repair costs will be out of warranty, etc. In the long term those wild cards could eat up any savings on fuel. We just don't know....
My Tundra goes ~350 miles on ~27 gallons of fuel which works out to 3.57 miles per dollar, or $420 per month at 1,500 miles traveled per month.
The Lightning is 225 miles on 98 kWh of electricity which at $0.10/kWh is $9.80. That works out to 20.87 miles per dollar, or $72 per month at 1,500 miles traveled.
So at current gas prices, I would stand to save $348 per month for "fueling" my truck alone. That doesn't account for savings from no engine oil, no oil filters, etc.
Having said that, nobody has a clue how insurance companies are going to handle rates on these, or what repair costs will be out of warranty, etc. In the long term those wild cards could eat up any savings on fuel. We just don't know....
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I did some napkin math this morning comparing the Lightning to my current 2016 Toyota Tundra which has been averaging 13 MPG @ $3.65/gallon.
My Tundra goes ~350 miles on ~27 gallons of fuel which works out to 3.57 miles per dollar, or $420 per month at 1,500 miles traveled per month.
The Lightning is 225 miles on 98 kWh of electricity which at $0.10/kWh is $9.80. That works out to 20.87 miles per dollar, or $72 per month at 1,500 miles traveled.
So at current gas prices, I would stand to save $348 per month for "fueling" my truck alone. That doesn't account for savings from no engine oil, no oil filters, etc.
Having said that, nobody has a clue how insurance companies are going to handle rates on these, or what repair costs will be out of warranty, etc. In the long term those wild cards could eat up any savings on fuel. We just don't know....
My Tundra goes ~350 miles on ~27 gallons of fuel which works out to 3.57 miles per dollar, or $420 per month at 1,500 miles traveled per month.
The Lightning is 225 miles on 98 kWh of electricity which at $0.10/kWh is $9.80. That works out to 20.87 miles per dollar, or $72 per month at 1,500 miles traveled.
So at current gas prices, I would stand to save $348 per month for "fueling" my truck alone. That doesn't account for savings from no engine oil, no oil filters, etc.
Having said that, nobody has a clue how insurance companies are going to handle rates on these, or what repair costs will be out of warranty, etc. In the long term those wild cards could eat up any savings on fuel. We just don't know....