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Old Aug 14, 2021 | 05:43 AM
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JayCarver - I changed Battery Composition to AGM I think it was PCM plain english
 
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Old Aug 14, 2021 | 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ford390gashog
The BMS is not the same as the vehicles under 8500GVW that are subject to CAFE restrictions. These trucks do have BMS and it is not talked about in the manual because it is not a repair as it's all software based and done through the BCM.

The BMS system is different then the F-150 and other vehicles as these trucks are not subject to CAFE restrictions. The BMS is shown on the forscan spreadsheet.

726-03-01 x*xx
726-03-01 x*xx
BMS 01 - BodyManufacMode_Cfg ENUM: 0=BUILD 1=NORM 2=TRANSPORT
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726-04-01 x*xx xxxx xxxx
Battery_Cfg ENUM: 0=FLD 1=AGM
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726-04-01 xxxx x*xx xxxx
BatteryTypeFactory_Cfg unsigned Undefined / Not Used
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726-04-01 xxxx xxx* xxxx
BatteryTypeNormal_Cfg unsigned Undefined / Not Used
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726-04-01 xxxx xxxx x*xx
BattWCCDurationCrank_Enable_Cfg ENUM: 0=FALSE 1=TRUE
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726-04-02 x*xx xxxx xxxx
BMSInCar_Cfg ENUM: 0=Undefined / Not Used 1=LIN 2=PWM
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726-04-02 xxx* xxxx xxxx
BMSTransportSleep_Cfg ENUM: 0=DISABLE
BMS 01 - BodyManufacMode_Cfg ENUM: 0=BUILD 1=NORM 2=TRANSPORT 23 726-04-01 x*xx xxxx xxxx Battery_Cfg ENUM: 0=FLD 1=AGM 24 726-04-01 xxxx x*xx xxxx BatteryTypeFactory_Cfg unsigned Undefined / Not Used 25 726-04-01 xxxx xxx* xxxx BatteryTypeNormal_Cfg unsigned Undefined / Not Used 26 726-04-01 xxxx xxxx x*xx BattWCCDurationCrank_Enable_Cfg ENUM: 0=FALSE 1=TRUE 27 726-04-02 x*xx xxxx xxxx BMSInCar_Cfg ENUM: 0=Undefined / Not Used 1=LIN 2=PWM 28 726-04-02 xxx* xxxx xxxx BMSTransportSleep_Cfg ENUM: 0=DISABLE
All of the Forscan stuff you posted means nothing if the electronics to actually implement BMS are not present. BMS has nothing to do with CAFE directly. It has everything to do with the Auto Start / Stop engine controls on cars and light trucks. There is no BMS hardware in 2017 - 2019 Super Duty trucks. Just the fact that the batteries are wired directly in parallel should make that obvious. Go ahead and look through the wiring book. I have.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2021 | 07:46 AM
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JayCarver - I changed Battery Composition to AGM I think it was PCM plain english

Right, I guess what I’m asking is what does the truck do differently.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2021 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by JayCarver;[url=tel:20017339
20017339[/url]]Right, I guess what I’m asking is what does the truck do differently.
My offline battery chargers have settings for AGM vs Flooded vs Lithium…I’d think this could be similar. Might change charging settings or how it interprets rest voltage vs state of charge. But the differences are minimal and a traditional charger works fine with AGM. I can’t imagine it making any real world difference.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2021 | 11:59 AM
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Old Aug 14, 2021 | 12:14 PM
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Old Aug 14, 2021 | 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ford390gashog
The BMS module reset will reset the battery age to zero. Might as well do it while you are there.
The bluetooth function on my laptop was down for awhile so I tried an alternative reset procedure. 5 flashes of the high beams, 3 presses of the brake pedal, something like that. I really don't know what it did other than making the bat light flash a couple times.

The Bluetooth started working on the laptop so I connected to Forscan and now have some questions. Where can the battery life be found? Just to verify the reset. Also, where are you making the change to AGM? Bellow is what I am seeing in the BCM.




 
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Old Aug 15, 2021 | 09:04 AM
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Second replacement set from ford installed in January 2021 at 35k miles. Removed last week at 48k.

Installed in my 2019 6.7. Changed one at a time. No codes no resests no problems. Drove 600mi last week all good
 
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Old Aug 15, 2021 | 10:05 AM
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Is die electric grease the proper product to apply to the terminals when replacing batteries or something else?
 
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Old Aug 15, 2021 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JayCarver
Is die electric grease the proper product to apply to the terminals when replacing batteries or something else?
That is what many use. I use a light coat of Vaseline instead. Not sure if anything is really necessary when using AGM batteries, the only time I have ever had any corrosion was with non AGM batteries.
 
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Old Aug 15, 2021 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Squirrel13
I changed Battery Composition to AGM I think it was PCM plain english
I know you have a 2020, and mine is a 19, but how did your settings compare to what I posted in post #22? Which AGM setting did you choose?
 
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Old Aug 15, 2021 | 07:50 PM
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4wd7.7 - I will check when we get home. We’re in OR picking up the RV



 
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What *should* change between a lead and a AGM battery is the charging profile, the AGM will work better getting a higher voltage charging up and floating. This is most important when you have a “deep discharge” AGM battery but it’s also useful for normal car batteries. I guess that the Forscan adjustment will change the profile…

https://deepcyclebatterystore.com/do...looded-vs-gel/
 
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Old Oct 21, 2021 | 08:54 AM
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Actually AGM requires lower voltage than flooded cell type batteries. Look at your chart - it's right there.

What happens when you charge an AGM battery at the flooded settings? It will gas and eventually fail.

12 Volt Flooded
Bulk/Absor 14.5
Float 13.5

12 Volt AGM
Bulk/Absor 13.7
Float 13.4
 
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Old Oct 21, 2021 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by B-ManFX4
Actually AGM requires lower voltage than flooded cell type batteries. Look at your chart - it's right there.

What happens when you charge an AGM battery at the flooded settings? It will gas and eventually fail.

12 Volt Flooded
Bulk/Absor 14.5
Float 13.5

12 Volt AGM
Bulk/Absor 13.7
Float 13.4
Odyssey batteries require 14.7 bulk on their charge profile and float of 13.6
 
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