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Old Aug 8, 2021 | 07:12 AM
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First EV Road Trip Article

Before someone starts B****ing and Moaning that this isn't about a F-150 Lightning truck, it is about a Ford EV and it does give you some insight into taking a trip with an EV.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ev-e...harging-2021-8
 
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Old Aug 9, 2021 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by alloro
Before someone starts B****ing and Moaning that this isn't about a F-150 Lightning truck, it is about a Ford EV and it does give you some insight into taking a trip with an EV.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ev-e...harging-2021-8
Hearing the good advise ↑ ↑ there of "plug in and charge every chance you get" if you intend a range trip, is a long time tactic of any driver of an Electric DC Battery piece of equipment. It doesn't matter what Generation of alternating DC Electric/current power you have chosen ! It had an early name many years ago called Pulse width modulation, but ! Following those simple observations, you may be sitting around for an hour or 2 on an all day drive, but thas not a bad thing if you use it for your own recharging also. Think relearn the lifestyle helps ! Keep a cooler of ice water handy if traveling where humid and heat is a negative cause having a cool bottle of water is also healing those hot aching !!!

I must confess we keep a small cooler with frozen bottles of water with us as we travel anyway in the F150 Turbos. A frozen bottle of Ice water will melt and last as long as you can !
 
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Old Nov 1, 2021 | 03:03 PM
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Not as bad as most think. Bought wife a 2021 Chevrolet Bolt in March 2021. We live in South Dakota where only DC charging is Tesla. So for us here pretty much limited to 100 mile radius unless staying over night. Although it is doable to go to my Mothers in Minneapolis MN as there is DC charging in Mankato MN 165 miles from home. The *but* is need to sit for about an hour to get to 80% due to Chevrolet limiting charge to 50KW and it starts to taper at 60%. By time you get to 80% you are only taking in about 25KW. I can charge in my Garage at 7.2KW. So again if more places to stop in between one could stop twice for about 15 minutes each time and get same total charge in half the time.
It will come. When Henry Ford first built the Model T most all cars were electric and used in large cities. You had to buy gasoline in glass jugs from general stores until Rockefeller came along with Standard Oil and that didn't happen overnight.
I love the driving experience of Fully electric, smooth , quite and drive with one pedal. The go pedal truly becomes a throttle and braking produces energy rather than Dust. No clumsy 10 speeds shifting all the time. Pre heat or cool in garage with door closed.
I am not looking back.. If Ford makes the Maverick in full electric my 2011 Ranger will get traded..
 
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I have a question for you 99F150. How is your EV in cold temps, I mean really cold temps? A local Ford dealer here in northern Minnesota got one of the Mustang EV’s last winter. They took it out of their warm shop and drove out into negative 30 degree weather with a full battery charge. They said they made it about 15-20 miles and the batteries went from full to lees than half. Made it back in the shop with less than 20%. They pulled it in the shop and did not plug it in just let it warm up and the batteries went up to 80%. If that’s how the EV’s are going to act in cold weather it isn’t feasible to drive one up here in northern MN unless it’s stored 4-5 months out of the year... Yes -30 degrees is rare but we have had many times that I remember we don’t get above 0 degrees for weeks or months at a time.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2021 | 09:07 PM
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I have a question for you 99F150. How is your EV in cold temps, I mean really cold temps? A local Ford dealer here in northern Minnesota got one of the Mustang EV’s last winter. They took it out of their warm shop and drove out into negative 30 degree weather with a full battery charge. They said they made it about 15-20 miles and the batteries went from full to lees than half. Made it back in the shop with less than 20%. They pulled it in the shop and did not plug it in just let it warm up and the batteries went up to 80%. If that’s how the EV’s are going to act in cold weather it isn’t feasible to drive one up here in northern MN unless it’s stored 4-5 months out of the year... Yes -30 degrees is rare but we have had many times that I remember we don’t get above 0 degrees for weeks or months at a time.
I can’t speak for the Mach-E or the Bolt, but I spent two years with a Tesla Model 3 here in Minnesota. It’s a common myth that cold weather affects battery capacity. It can affect output power when the battery is warm or cold, but overall capacity for storing energy remains the same.

The biggest issue with cold weather is the energy required to heat the cabin. Second biggest issues is the reduced efficiency pushing the car through cold, thick winter air at higher speeds. Unlike a gas power plant which harvests waste heat to warm the cabin, EVs use the equivalent of an electric space heater to warm the cabin surrounded by non-insulated single-pane glass. The worst I saw with my Tesla was around 50% range reduction around 0° F going through slush and snow. Newer Tesla models use a heat pump, which is significantly more efficient. The extent of range loss in the winter is going to depend on (1) how fast you drive, (2) how warm you keep the cabin, and (3) the technology used to heat the cabin. If it’s an electric PTC or hot-water heater, it won’t be as good as some other models.

Even with the standard-range model I never had any trouble in the winter, though. Overall it was the most convenient thing I’ve ever owned when it got cold. Heat from the vents was virtually instant, and I could preheat the cabin with an app on my phone, even when in a closed garage. I traded because I wanted more flexibility, but I reserved a Lightning a month ago. I’m fairly sure this will be my last gas car.
 
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Originally Posted by Tom
I can’t speak for the Mach-E or the Bolt, but I spent two years with a Tesla Model 3 here in Minnesota. It’s a common myth that cold weather affects battery capacity. It can affect output power when the battery is warm or cold, but overall capacity for storing energy remains the same.

The biggest issue with cold weather is the energy required to heat the cabin. Second biggest issues is the reduced efficiency pushing the car through cold, thick winter air at higher speeds. Unlike a gas power plant which harvests waste heat to warm the cabin, EVs use the equivalent of an electric space heater to warm the cabin surrounded by non-insulated single-pane glass. The worst I saw with my Tesla was around 50% range reduction around 0° F going through slush and snow. Newer Tesla models use a heat pump, which is significantly more efficient. The extent of range loss in the winter is going to depend on (1) how fast you drive, (2) how warm you keep the cabin, and (3) the technology used to heat the cabin. If it’s an electric PTC or hot-water heater, it won’t be as good as some other models.

Even with the standard-range model I never had any trouble in the winter, though. Overall it was the most convenient thing I’ve ever owned when it got cold. Heat from the vents was virtually instant, and I could preheat the cabin with an app on my phone, even when in a closed garage. I traded because I wanted more flexibility, but I reserved a Lightning a month ago. I’m fairly sure this will be my last gas car.
Snowman, What Tom said. I agree.
In addition to the 2021 Bolt purchased in March 2021. We have owned a 2014 Ford C_Max Energi since new, most of 70K miles are in pure electric. Sub zero temps we still drive it in pure Electric with range due to cabin heat and ambient temp dropping it up to around 40% of no heat and ambient temps 50-70F. Our C-Max and Bolt both use resistive heat, very similar to a electric water heater in our home. Our batteries have never done what you describe from that dealer. Yes the lack of public DC charging and cold temps are an inconvenience at this time. I am not looking back. As I replace my current gas powered vehicles the new ones will be all Electric. For ME the advantages of filling up at home, smooth instant power, braking that recharges battery VS creating dust, a throttle that is a throttle by both accelerating and braking to a stop, much less maintenance (about all to do is fill washer fluid, rotate tires), much lower center of gravity due to batteries being under car totally changes handling for the better.
Bottom line again for ME is I am not going back. Until people put butts in the seat and drive a fully electric vehicle they won't get it! It will only get better..
 
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Bottom line again for ME is I am not going back. Until people put butts in the seat and drive a fully electric vehicle they won't get it! It will only get better..
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Old Nov 8, 2021 | 05:39 PM
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Haa! That doesn't count!

That's a Mitsubishi I-MiEV, which was a painted turd on wheels. 62 miles of range and around 65 HP. Definitely not it.
 
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Typical China Advertisement and China made gas charger. Why not just use a Stanley Battery jumper !
 
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These short range EV's work well in the countries who do not allow their population a freedom to travel much out of their home districts. They have a Picnic along the level banks of a river but cannot see the other side because of smog/pollution !
 
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Old Nov 14, 2021 | 10:53 PM
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Typical China Advertisement and China made gas charger. Why not just use a Stanley Battery jumper !
The Mitsubishi? That’s a Japanese company; not China or anything close. The generator is made by a Japanese company in Vietnam. China has a massive homegrown EV industry that’s not to be underestimated, but the above photo isn’t it.
 
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Semi's gonna drive over em parked like that anyway ! Know place near interstate entrance in North Charleston in S.C. where they do that and it causes a massive pile up !
 
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Ford recalls 2,900 EV F-150 Lightning pickup trucks (msn.com)

It's most likely just another button on the Sweater fastened this winter. Maybe the few owners who are actually privately driving them are safe !
 
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Originally Posted by Snowman 8
I have a question for you 99F150. How is your EV in cold temps, I mean really cold temps? A local Ford dealer here in northern Minnesota got one of the Mustang EV’s last winter. They took it out of their warm shop and drove out into negative 30 degree weather with a full battery charge. They said they made it about 15-20 miles and the batteries went from full to lees than half. Made it back in the shop with less than 20%. They pulled it in the shop and did not plug it in just let it warm up and the batteries went up to 80%. If that’s how the EV’s are going to act in cold weather it isn’t feasible to drive one up here in northern MN unless it’s stored 4-5 months out of the year... Yes -30 degrees is rare but we have had many times that I remember we don’t get above 0 degrees for weeks or months at a time.
It is true that some electric car batteries have been damaged in extreme cold weather. But the battery's capacity will degrade over time, regardless of the temperature. I found that the battery capacity of my electric car has decreased by about 10 percent in the last six months. I have owned the car for a full year, so the efficiency of the battery will continue to decline over time, due to its use. −30 degree Celsius is a cold enough temperature to warrant a number of precautions, but Minnesota is not the worst climatic environment in which to drive my car. If any of you are interested, the best solution to cold temperature problems is to store your car indoors in a garage. If the garage is not available, make sure to take the following steps to avoid losing battery power which I've practiced.
1. Add a couple of gallons of antifreeze to your battery.
2. Connect a trickle charger to your battery to keep it topped off on a regular basis.
3. Cover the car with a layer of blankets to keep it warm.
 
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