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Nobody jumped me!
Recently I list a couple powertrain choices, both of which listed 2 wheel drive...and since 99% of the members list 4x4 in their Sig...I expected
some "advice" . So.. given that I'm about to order my trk, and a glutton for punishment, please, convince me that 4x4 is an invaluable necessity
while towing my new home. That will be it's sole function. I won't be dragging my home anywhere that would require 4x4, and have traction pads and chains for when mother nature surprises me.
Spoiler: the "you don't need it, 'til you need it" response has been taken, repeatedly.... and retired.
I'm not just being a smartass here, I'll flip for the $2800 upgrade, but being on a budget, would rather buy a camper shell with that $$.
some "advice" . So.. given that I'm about to order my trk, and a glutton for punishment, please, convince me that 4x4 is an invaluable necessity
while towing my new home. That will be it's sole function. I won't be dragging my home anywhere that would require 4x4, and have traction pads and chains for when mother nature surprises me.
Spoiler: the "you don't need it, 'til you need it" response has been taken, repeatedly.... and retired.
I'm not just being a smartass here, I'll flip for the $2800 upgrade, but being on a budget, would rather buy a camper shell with that $$.
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We’re on our fifth 4x2 truck in 35 years; so far mostly so good. I did once need a neighbor to pull me out when I (stupidly) got stuck on a local unpaved muddy road.
The first three of the five, including the one stuck in the mud, were fitted with limited slip differentials. I’m not sure than any worked particularly well. I did, however, take truck #3 sort-of off reading in Wyoming in December, 2009.
We ordered the 2017 and 2019 F-350’s with factory-equipped e-locker diffs. I’ve used the feature on both trucks, and it works quite well.
In addition to a lower initial cost, lower operating costs, and a lower curb weight, the 4x2 is several inches lower than the 4x4, which makes it easier to get into the cab, climb into the bed, and park in a garage. Our state’s weight-based registration fees are also lower.
To be fair, a 4x4 typically commands a higher resale value.
The only drawback from my perspective is the maximum factory tire size (LT275/65R18E), which is smaller and has a lower max load spec than the LT275/70R18E available on the 4x4. This smaller tire reduces official GVWR, rear GAWR, and payload, although our truck’s official as-built payload is still quite good at 3912 lbs.
We solved those problems by having the larger-size tires installed after we bought the truck, and I had our dealer reprogram the truck for the larger tires.
All in all, though, no apologies needed for the 4x2!
HTH,
Jim / crewzer
4x2 truck #3, Super Duty #1:
4x2 truck #5, Super Duty #3, with new larger tires:
The first three of the five, including the one stuck in the mud, were fitted with limited slip differentials. I’m not sure than any worked particularly well. I did, however, take truck #3 sort-of off reading in Wyoming in December, 2009.
We ordered the 2017 and 2019 F-350’s with factory-equipped e-locker diffs. I’ve used the feature on both trucks, and it works quite well.
In addition to a lower initial cost, lower operating costs, and a lower curb weight, the 4x2 is several inches lower than the 4x4, which makes it easier to get into the cab, climb into the bed, and park in a garage. Our state’s weight-based registration fees are also lower.
To be fair, a 4x4 typically commands a higher resale value.
The only drawback from my perspective is the maximum factory tire size (LT275/65R18E), which is smaller and has a lower max load spec than the LT275/70R18E available on the 4x4. This smaller tire reduces official GVWR, rear GAWR, and payload, although our truck’s official as-built payload is still quite good at 3912 lbs.
We solved those problems by having the larger-size tires installed after we bought the truck, and I had our dealer reprogram the truck for the larger tires.
All in all, though, no apologies needed for the 4x2!
HTH,
Jim / crewzer
4x2 truck #3, Super Duty #1:
4x2 truck #5, Super Duty #3, with new larger tires:
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We’re on our fifth 4x2 truck in 35 years. So far mostly so good. I did once need a neighbor to pull me out when I (stupidly) got stuck on a local unpaved muddy road.
The first three of the five, including the one stuck in the mud, were fitted with limited slip differentials. I’m not sure than any worked particularly well. I did, however, take truck #3 sort-of off reading in Wyoming in December, 2009.
The last two (2017 and 2019 F-350’s) were factory-equipped with e-locker diffs. I’ve used the feature on both trucks, and it worked quite well.
In addition to lower initial cost, lower operating costs, and less weight, the 4x2 is several inches lower than the 4x4, which makes it easier to get into the cab, climb into the bed, and park in a garage. Our state’s weight-based registration fees are also lower.
To be fair, a 4x4 typically commands a higher resale value.
The only drawback from my perspective is the maximum factory tire size (LT275/65R18E), which is smaller and has a lower max load spec than the LT275/70R18E available on the 4x4. This smaller tire reduces official GVWR, rear GAWR, and payload, although our truck’s official as-built payload is still quite good at 3912 lbs.
We solved those problems by having the larger-size tires installed after we bought the truck, and I had our dealer reprogram the truck for the larger tires.
All in all, though, no apologies needed for the 4x2!
HTH,
Jim / crewzer
4x2 truck #3, Super Duty #1:
4x2 truck #5, Super Duty #3, with new larger tires:
The first three of the five, including the one stuck in the mud, were fitted with limited slip differentials. I’m not sure than any worked particularly well. I did, however, take truck #3 sort-of off reading in Wyoming in December, 2009.
The last two (2017 and 2019 F-350’s) were factory-equipped with e-locker diffs. I’ve used the feature on both trucks, and it worked quite well.
In addition to lower initial cost, lower operating costs, and less weight, the 4x2 is several inches lower than the 4x4, which makes it easier to get into the cab, climb into the bed, and park in a garage. Our state’s weight-based registration fees are also lower.
To be fair, a 4x4 typically commands a higher resale value.
The only drawback from my perspective is the maximum factory tire size (LT275/65R18E), which is smaller and has a lower max load spec than the LT275/70R18E available on the 4x4. This smaller tire reduces official GVWR, rear GAWR, and payload, although our truck’s official as-built payload is still quite good at 3912 lbs.
We solved those problems by having the larger-size tires installed after we bought the truck, and I had our dealer reprogram the truck for the larger tires.
All in all, though, no apologies needed for the 4x2!
HTH,
Jim / crewzer
4x2 truck #3, Super Duty #1:
4x2 truck #5, Super Duty #3, with new larger tires:
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Recently I list a couple powertrain choices, both of which listed 2 wheel drive...and since 99% of the members list 4x4 in their Sig...I expected
some "advice" . So.. given that I'm about to order my trk, and a glutton for punishment, please, convince me that 4x4 is an invaluable necessity
while towing my new home. That will be it's sole function. I won't be dragging my home anywhere that would require 4x4, and have traction pads and chains for when mother nature surprises me.
Spoiler: the "you don't need it, 'til you need it" response has been taken, repeatedly.... and retired.
I'm not just being a smartass here, I'll flip for the $2800 upgrade, but being on a budget, would rather buy a camper shell with that $$.
some "advice" . So.. given that I'm about to order my trk, and a glutton for punishment, please, convince me that 4x4 is an invaluable necessity
while towing my new home. That will be it's sole function. I won't be dragging my home anywhere that would require 4x4, and have traction pads and chains for when mother nature surprises me.
Spoiler: the "you don't need it, 'til you need it" response has been taken, repeatedly.... and retired.
I'm not just being a smartass here, I'll flip for the $2800 upgrade, but being on a budget, would rather buy a camper shell with that $$.
It sounds like you are pretty sure you don’t want it, so just curious what you were expecting to get out of your question… unless you do want it and are hoping we will justify it for you… in which case, I say get it!
Ive “needed” to get out of some spots where a 4x4 would have worked and I didn’t have it, but here I am, no longer in that spot, so I don’t guess I really “needed” it. Considering this, I still chose to add it when building my 22. There’s nothing wrong with either answer, just depends on what you want to spend your money on.
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So, that’s really the only worthy response to your question. But that’s the answer to everything we are buying really…
It sounds like you are pretty sure you don’t want it, so just curious what you were expecting to get out of your question… unless you do want it and are hoping we will justify it for you… in which case, I say get it!
Ive “needed” to get out of some spots where a 4x4 would have worked and I didn’t have it, but here I am, no longer in that spot, so I don’t guess I really “needed” it. Considering this, I still chose to add it when building my 22. There’s nothing wrong with either answer, just depends on what you want to spend your money on.
It sounds like you are pretty sure you don’t want it, so just curious what you were expecting to get out of your question… unless you do want it and are hoping we will justify it for you… in which case, I say get it!
Ive “needed” to get out of some spots where a 4x4 would have worked and I didn’t have it, but here I am, no longer in that spot, so I don’t guess I really “needed” it. Considering this, I still chose to add it when building my 22. There’s nothing wrong with either answer, just depends on what you want to spend your money on.
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The 4x2 market probably has a regional influence. We sold our 2017 F-350 4x2 in 2018 to CarMax in Greenville, SC, and they shipped it down to Augusta, GA, where it sold rather quickly.
HTH,
Jim / crewzer
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Convince you that you need 4WD. Well, you may not need it for your lifestyle or applications so I would never push something one never needs if they have been doing fine without it. The reason I would never buy a SUV or truck in a non-4WD configuration is that when you do need it, you need it! I drive in inclement weather because I have too and in the snow, one needs usually a 4WD. If your truck will solely be used to pull a trailer of varying kinds in fair weather only, then don’t spend that extra money and also sacrifice at times more towing capacity. Good luck.
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The only reason I can think of is probably ease of resale, but that would be tempered by region.
if selling on a National market, 4x4 is much easier to sell.
myself as an example …. You could not sell me a 4x2 regardless of how “sweet” the deal is. When I search for pickups, I exclude anything that isn’t specifically listed as 4x4. So guys like me won’t even see yours when you go to sell it.
but as I said, there are regions where people who (like you) know they don’t need 4x4 and they will spot it even if I won’t.
I spent 12 years driving 4x2 pickups at work, and I can tell you - without any doubt - that I don’t want to buy one as a daily. Would only be good 6-7 months out of the year, requiring a second vehicle. It where we live.
if selling on a National market, 4x4 is much easier to sell.
myself as an example …. You could not sell me a 4x2 regardless of how “sweet” the deal is. When I search for pickups, I exclude anything that isn’t specifically listed as 4x4. So guys like me won’t even see yours when you go to sell it.
but as I said, there are regions where people who (like you) know they don’t need 4x4 and they will spot it even if I won’t.
I spent 12 years driving 4x2 pickups at work, and I can tell you - without any doubt - that I don’t want to buy one as a daily. Would only be good 6-7 months out of the year, requiring a second vehicle. It where we live.
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