How do you carry your additives?
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Anti-gel additives are less argumentative. In really cold environments, you really need to use an anti-gel diesel additive or you won't be driving. So, it's not as easy to simply hand wave them away as snake-oil.
I use 4 oz or 8 oz resuable plastic bottles for my OptiLube. I just carry it in the driver door panel. I've never had any odor issues ... well, I have, but, more precisely, the additives have never caused an odor issue.
Tuned
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Originally Posted by Pugga
That's actually one of the reasons I like Hot Shots, they have the bottles with the metering cup built in so I don't have to premeasure or guess at the dose. I keep it in the map pocket of the door.
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I just bought a new ‘22. I’m going to use Stanadyne but my local stores only stock the “up to 60 gallons” 16oz bottles. Is it overkill or can it harm the engine if I use that size when my tank is only 34 gallons?
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Milk crate in the bed held in the back corner with a small bungee hooked in the crate and through the tie down hook. Bunch of bungees in the crate, work gloves, small bag with air pump and bottle of Archoil standing up next to the bag. Crate doesn’t move and I don’t have to store any bottles of liquid inside the cab.
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I will be buying the big bottle of OptiLube XPD and pumping it into the smaller bottles, then carrying those smaller bottles in the bed. I also picked up a Bakflip MX4 and the BakBox toolbox so it should sit in there pretty well!
Hotshot
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The small bottles that come with the XPD combo (with pump) aren't big enough for my 48 gallon tank (usually about 40 to 42 gallons at each fill-up for me). The XPD ratio requires more ounces than the PM-22a did.
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same here on Hot Shots but I keep the bottle under the back seat in a plastic bag
Tuned
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It won't harm the engine. I'd either dump the whole thing in like you said, or bust out the calculator, do the math, and take the remainder home to keep in the garage. Use a fresh bottle the next time and then consolidate your leftovers. Rinse and repeat.
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And nothing will ever be amiss ... until it is. Additives aren't meant to correct a problem; they're meant to protect against its occurrence. The vast majority of people will never experience a CP4 detonation. Some will. For those people, they will have wished they had used a lubricating additive. But, up until that detonation point, they would have had the same story: I'm not using any additives and nothing seems to be amiss. CP4 pump failures are rare, though.
Anti-gel additives are less argumentative. In really cold environments, you really need to use an anti-gel diesel additive or you won't be driving. So, it's not as easy to simply hand wave them away as snake-oil.
I use 4 oz or 8 oz resuable plastic bottles for my OptiLube. I just carry it in the driver door panel. I've never had any odor issues ... well, I have, but, more precisely, the additives have never caused an odor issue.
Anti-gel additives are less argumentative. In really cold environments, you really need to use an anti-gel diesel additive or you won't be driving. So, it's not as easy to simply hand wave them away as snake-oil.
I use 4 oz or 8 oz resuable plastic bottles for my OptiLube. I just carry it in the driver door panel. I've never had any odor issues ... well, I have, but, more precisely, the additives have never caused an odor issue.
I'm genuinely curious about this. You said it yourself - the vast majority of people will never experience a CP4 detonation. If the vast majority of people also do not use additives what does that data point say about additives being a good prevention strategy for CP4 failure?
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Data are hard to come by, so if you're truly looking for quantitative analysis on blown CP4 pumps and a pareto of causes, then I don't think you'll find that.
However, it's fairly well understood that the US ULSD diesel fuel formulation has put undue stress on fuel pumps that are lubricated by the very fuel that they pump. Here are a few qualitative mentions of this:
https://www.forthepeople.com/class-a...ilure-lawsuit/
Ultra-Low Sulfur Diesel Provide Insufficient Lubricity - AMSOIL Authorized Dealer
https://www.txdservice.com/cp4-fuel-system-failure/
And, I'll stop there. There is an endless supply of various technical conversations about CP4 pump failure and insufficient lubrication is nearly always listed as the primary cause. You can hand wave this away as qualitative nonsense. That's fine. I don't. Maybe I'm pouring $60/year down the drain by using OptiLube XL. I could be. But, I'll probably keep doing it and know that I'm feeding a properly lubricated diesel fuel to my CP4. That's the beauty of life -- we all get to choose what we believe and what risks we assume.
Cheers.
However, it's fairly well understood that the US ULSD diesel fuel formulation has put undue stress on fuel pumps that are lubricated by the very fuel that they pump. Here are a few qualitative mentions of this:
https://www.forthepeople.com/class-a...ilure-lawsuit/
The primary reason the CP4 pump is said to fail is because the pump was not designed for diesel fuel in the United States.Bosch is a European company, and Europe uses diesel fuel with more sulfur than U.S. diesel fuel. The cleaner, Ultra-Low-Sulfur Diesel used in America does not lubricate the CP4 as well as European diesel, makes it difficult on the CP4’s hydraulic pistons to continue working, according to the experts at Diesel Army.
Today’s ultra low sulfur diesel fuel provides significantly reduced lubricity – a critical property in controlling fuel pump and injectorwear. [...]
It’s culminated in class-action lawsuits in Texas and California against Bosch, GM, Ford and other vehicle manufacturers on behalf of the individual diesel owners whose vehicles use that pump. When the CP4.2 fuel pump fails, it instantly contaminates the entire fuel system metal particulates costing $8000-$12,000 in repairs. The magazine reiterates what Amsoil has been saying for years: “The way to be proactive in protecting the CP4.2 equipped diesel from an early demise is being diligent about using fuel additives that add lubricity with every fill up”.
The CP4.2 pump is said to fail because of two reasons:
It’s culminated in class-action lawsuits in Texas and California against Bosch, GM, Ford and other vehicle manufacturers on behalf of the individual diesel owners whose vehicles use that pump. When the CP4.2 fuel pump fails, it instantly contaminates the entire fuel system metal particulates costing $8000-$12,000 in repairs. The magazine reiterates what Amsoil has been saying for years: “The way to be proactive in protecting the CP4.2 equipped diesel from an early demise is being diligent about using fuel additives that add lubricity with every fill up”.
The CP4.2 pump is said to fail because of two reasons:
- Its designed with about 20% reduce flow volume than the previous generation pump requiring it to work even harder.
- ULSD isn’t providing enough lubricity.
https://www.txdservice.com/cp4-fuel-system-failure/
Why did this happen:A couple of things to note here, the first being change your fuel filters on a regular basis!! The primary cause of high pressure fuel pump failure is lack of lubrication. The CP4 pump is lubricated by diesel fuel, if you don’t have a constant supply of good, clean, fuel to your pump you’re causing damage every day that you drive it. Another cause is water or contaminants in your fuel, again this goes back to changing your fuel filters and keeping up with regular maintenance.
Cheers.
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I use Hot Shot also. That measurable fill spout is really useful. I put mine in a gallon ziploc bag and store it underneath my back seat driver side.
More Turbo
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I use 2.5 oz plastic oil sample bottles. We have a ton of them at work. I keep six or seven in a zip lock bag under the rear seat. Hot shot secret calls for 2 oz per tank full. Once they are all empty, I refill and back under the seat.
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I will have a 34 gallon tank on mine so it they should work for now, however, I do plan to eventually replace the OEM tank with the 60 gallon S&B tank!