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Old Jun 24, 2021 | 10:56 AM
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Help with harmonic balancer

I have a 1964 F350 with a 292 Y block engine. Yesterday after a quick test-drive (around the block) following some carb adjustments I noticed the harmonic balancer has begun to wobble. I am looking for a replacement and may have found one for $200 shipped but will take some time to get here.

This is going to sound stupid but when speaking to an engine shop they told me the 292 ford engine and most of the y blocks were internally balanced and the harmonic balancer was redundant and not really needed. Anyone know if this is true? Obviously it contains the timing marks but could I just take it of for now until I get the one I plan on ordering.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2021 | 12:00 PM
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You might get away with removing the ring. Have you tried these folks. DamperDoctor
 
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This makes it sound like the Y-block is internally balanced. If you removed the - let's call it the balancer - can you still bolt on the lower pulley that would drive the water pump and generator? I'm not picturing how you'd drive those items.

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Old Jun 24, 2021 | 12:47 PM
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Second the Damper Doctor, lots of the Y-Block guys use them and are happy.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2021 | 02:12 PM
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I am trying to remove the pully and damper and the crank bolt is stuck, I tried a breaker bar, then a 1/2 impact gun, not movement. any ideas I am letting it soak in penetrating oil currently.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2021 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Thurston Jamie
I am trying to remove the pully and damper and the crank bolt is stuck, I tried a breaker bar, then a 1/2 impact gun, not movement. any ideas I am letting it soak in penetrating oil currently.
Find a good sturdy metal pipe about 1.5" inside diameter or as small as you can fit over the end of the breaker bar and as long as you can work with. Great extension. I learned the trick from my uncle in about 1975 when he made me remove the damper bolt on a Ford 534 cubic inch engine in a 1966 F850 dump truck. Everything on that truck was huge. I was about 12 at the time and it worked for me. Used it a whole lot since. Works like a charm. Just don't let the socket slip off that bolt head! A helper can hold the socket on steady while pressure is applied to the end of the pipe. Counter-clockwise to remove, which is normal.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2021 | 04:05 PM
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It is a damper, not a balancer. I don't know all of the technical details so won't try to explain it but the 239 (and maybe 256, maybe '54 only for both) is the only Y that did not have a damper. That was simply a crank pulley. The rest had a damper. I would definitely use it.

Do not use an impact wrench on the crank. It is a 9/16" bolt. Make sure the transmission is in gear and the parking brake on so that the engine doesn't turn over before the bolt breaks free. You will need an installation tool with a 9/16-18 adapter.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2021 | 07:49 PM
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On mine it is a 13/16 bolt on the crank pulley.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2021 | 08:01 PM
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That would be the head of the bolt. The thread is 9/16-18
 
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Old Jun 24, 2021 | 08:27 PM
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Yes that is correct head size is 13/16 misread I guess been a very long day, I tried the breaker bar with extension and the engine began to turn backwards with no movement of the bolt at all. Truck park brake is set and in 1st gear. I have google searched and some say heat some say it is risky? Others recommend the starter bump method?
 
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Use a wheel chock, piece of 2x4, something to keep the truck from rolling then pull and it should come loose.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2021 | 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by charliemccraney
Use a wheel chock, piece of 2x4, something to keep the truck from rolling then pull and it should come loose.
Thanks, chocked wheels, but same deal crank turns before bolt will let go.
 
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Let it turn until the brakes / chock stop it. Have someone step on the brake pedal if you have to.
 
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Yeah or roll the truck up against something solid like a workbench, wall or whatever will make it impossible to move further. A mix of acetone and ATF as a penetrant works really well, too, if rust seems to be an issue. I've never had to use heat on the crank bolt.
 
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Old Jun 25, 2021 | 09:29 AM
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On other cars, a trick is to get a wrench like a long breaker bar and put that onto the ground and then bump the starter. I probably should not have mentioned because I do not know if that would work on an old Ford truck or not, but it works on rice burners. So if you’re stuck you might check into it.

Steve
 
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