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Old Jun 5, 2021 | 06:23 AM
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Class V hitch upgrade?

I have a 2014 F-250 6.2 with a Class IV hitch. I was a little surprised to see they cheaped out and put a class IV hitch on this configuration only where the capacity of the hitch was only 6000 lb and 600 lb TW without weight distribution.

Thinking about upgrading to a Class V hitch, not to be able to exceed the 12500 lb towing capacity, but to be able to increase the capacity without a weight distributing hitch.

I use a WD hitch with my camper, but my thought is around the occasional dump trailer rental or skid steer rental that would exceed the 6000 lb/600 lb TW rating of the hitch without WD, but be within the 12500 lb max towing.

The diesel version got the class V, and there is no difference in rear suspension, axle, etc.... so I wouldn't think that increasing the non-WD towing capacity and TW weight capacity would be limited by anything but the hitch itself.

Again... not trying to increase the overall towing capacity... only the non-WD towing capacity and TW weight capacity.

Am I over, or under thinking this? Thoughts?
 
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Old Jun 5, 2021 | 09:59 AM
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Specs for 2014 say it’s equipped with 12.5 k hitch
 
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Old Jun 5, 2021 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by masonlift
Specs for 2014 say it’s equipped with 12.5 k hitch
yes. 12.5k with a WD hitch. 6k without.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2021 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by DrBobbySaget
I have a 2014 F-250 6.2 with a Class IV hitch. I was a little surprised to see they cheaped out and put a class IV hitch on this configuration only where the capacity of the hitch was only 6000 lb and 600 lb TW without weight distribution.

Thinking about upgrading to a Class V hitch, not to be able to exceed the 12500 lb towing capacity, but to be able to increase the capacity without a weight distributing hitch.

I use a WD hitch with my camper, but my thought is around the occasional dump trailer rental or skid steer rental that would exceed the 6000 lb/600 lb TW rating of the hitch without WD, but be within the 12500 lb max towing.

The diesel version got the class V, and there is no difference in rear suspension, axle, etc.... so I wouldn't think that increasing the non-WD towing capacity and TW weight capacity would be limited by anything but the hitch itself.

Again... not trying to increase the overall towing capacity... only the non-WD towing capacity and TW weight capacity.

Am I over, or under thinking this? Thoughts?
A loaded dump trailer and/or an equipment trailer loaded with a skid steer can not only significantly exceed 600 lb. tongue weight... they can potentially quadruple it, depending on how the material is loaded in the dump trailer, or how the skid steer is positioned on the equipment trailer.

Unless you purchase (and use) a tongue weight scale, how will you know the tongue weight?

Will it be practical to adjust the load to alleviate the tongue weight, once the rental yard guys have already loaded and chained down the skid steer, or after the dump trailer is already loaded with material?

Here is a chart of hitch ratings from Ford's 2014 RV & Trailer Towing Guide:



From the chart above, it looks like Ford has a different assessment than you do ("there is no difference in rear suspension, axle, etc") regarding the conventional (bumper pull) trailer towing capacities of the 6.2L equipped single rear wheel F-250/350.

For whatever reason, whether it is double or single cardan U joints in the driveline, transmission shift scheduling, heat rejection capacity of the cooling system, the presence or lack of an overload leaf, the deflection rate of the springs, the Rear GAWR of the completed vehicle... whatever the package of components that Ford put together and certified to the feds for the 6.2L single rear wheel F-250/350... appears to not meet reasonable durability expectations for weight carrying more than 600 lbs cantilevered some 5 feet aft of the vehicle.

It could be something as simple as the lighter weight gas engine offers less counterweight ballast over the front steering axle than the heavier weight diesel engine does, so without the aide of weight distribution, a heavier tongue weight lever several feet behind the rear axle would unload the front axle and cause loss of steering traction.

Thankfully, we don't have to guess. We paid the engineers at Ford to do all the homework for us, and whatever they charged for their services is already included with the price of the truck. Might as well make the most use of what we already paid for, right?

Ford shows that upgrading the hitch will not upgrade the towing capacity of the vehicle. If one wishes to upgrade the hitch anyway, the strongest hitch that Ford offered that will bolt up to the F-250/350/450 pickup frame is the hitch that Ford equipped the F-450 with. To get that hitch, the F-450 needed to have the High Capacity Tow Package, which included an "upgraded" axle.

When Ford released the 18,500 lbs WD conventional receiver, it caused the aftermarket hitch brands like Curt and Reese / DrawTite to upgrade/redesign the receiver hitches they offered for the Super Duty pickup application. So there is no shortage of selection for higher capacity receiver hitches available in the aftermarket. Consider the Curt XD line, the Draw Tite Ultra Frame line, and the Reese Titan V line, if Ford's OEM receiver for the F-450 with package 535 proves to be too expensive to purchase.

I've seen all of these hitches. They are bad azz. Larger tube cross sections. Thicker side plates. Wider receiver openings. They are heavier duty, and with more metal involved, are also heavier in weight. Therefore, they might actually REDUCE the conventional weight carrying towing capacity of your truck, to the extent that the additional weight of the heavier hitch increases the weight aft of the rear axle (unloading the front axle), and likewise impinges on what remains of the rear GAWR available to carry the load itself.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2021 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Y2KW57
For whatever reason, whether it is double or single cardan U joints in the driveline, transmission shift scheduling, heat rejection capacity of the cooling system, the presence or lack of an overload leaf, the deflection rate of the springs, the Rear GAWR of the completed vehicle... whatever the package of components that Ford put together and certified to the feds for the 6.2L single rear wheel F-250/350... appears to not meet reasonable durability expectations for weight carrying more than 600 lbs cantilevered some 5 feet aft of the vehicle.
This info about the weight capacity of a privately owned truck being certified or regulated by the state/federal government keeps getting brought up in any weight capacity related post and it's just not true. None of the weight limitations have anything to do with any state or federal certification, they're just Ford's warranty numbers. Unless your state imposes it's own limitations, which could use the warranty sticker weight as a basis, federally, as a private vehicle, you can haul up to 26,001lbs, or the max capacity of your axle/tire combination, whichever is less. They don't care about your engine/tranny combo, cooling capabilities, driveshaft, springs or even brakes. Even if it takes you 5 miles to get going and 5 miles to stop, if you can do it safely, you're legal.

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Thankfully, we don't have to guess. We paid the engineers at Ford to do all the homework for us, and whatever they charged for their services is already included with the price of the truck. Might as well make the most use of what we already paid for, right?
You realize any limits imposed by Ford are primarily to cover their warranty losses? There is usually a very generous margin over what they say that a vehicle can actually handle. I've seen more than one F150/ silverado/ dodge 1500 hauling 1 ton weights without catastrophic failures.

Look at all the 30+ year old "1 ton" pickups with small v8's, and tiny axles compare to what we have now, that were run commercially and had people hooking a trailer with their bobcat/dozer/excavator/etc/etc to it because that's all they had. If they did it without killing everyone in their path, I'm more than sure a modern 1 ton can handle it occasionally.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2021 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by speedfreak78
This info about the weight capacity of a privately owned truck being certified or regulated by the state/federal government keeps getting brought up in any weight capacity related post and it's just not true. None of the weight limitations have anything to do with any state or federal certification, they're just Ford's warranty numbers.

Look at all the 30+ year old "1 ton" pickups with small v8's, and tiny axles compare to what we have now, If they did it without killing everyone...
That's just it. People were killed. It was in fact their deaths that inspired the convening of Congress and the passage of law that created the federal agencies and regulations.

Both types of labels shown in the example photos below are FMVSS requirements, mandated by Title 49 of the US Code of Federal Regulations, under the regulatory authority of NHTSA.







If these were only "warranty numbers", or mere recommendations, rather than a federal requirement for vehicle manufacturers to certify their vehicles to, and label them as such, then it is doubtful that vehicle manufacturers would waste the money to produce these labels, much less spend the money to RECALL vehicles where the data on the label was found to be inaccurate.

Whether or not a consumer is legally bound to abide by the limits stated in the labels is immaterial, and is not the issue being examined here. The party bound by the federal regulation is the vehicle manufacturer, who must Certify that this vehicle can carry W weight on X axle with Y tires at Z pressure.

The federally commissioned VESC (Vehicle Equipment Safety Commission) was created to establish testing standards and classifications for towing apparatus, including receiver hitches. Here again, it is the towing apparatus manufacturer, not the consumer, who is bound to certify that their hitch satisfied testing and rating standards consistent with the Class 1, II, III, IV designations, as the case may be. There is no "Class V" designation under the VESC. "Class V" was a marketing term created by Reese Towing Products in the late 80's, that has caught on in the industry (like to Xerox something is to photocopy it) as meaning any conventional tow rating in excess of 10,000 lbs, which is beyond the federal DOT weight limit of conventional trailer towing without a special license anyway.

Looking at what a vehicle manufacturer, in this case Ford, is federally required to certify, offers a convenient way to figure out what specific models of Ford trucks are capable of towing or hauling. That is why we look at the labels. To determine what Ford says their truck and hitch are capable of. That is probably why the law requires the labels... to help us figure out what the truck can tow without having all the engineering diagrams and the degree to understand how the determinations were arrived at.

Your point is perfectly understood... that the weights that we can legally tow or operate under a given type of driver's license in any given State are not determined by a label on any given truck. However, if we choose to neglect the ratings on the labels on the specific truck we select to operate, then we might be found liable for negligence if something unexpectedly bad happened, regardless of what initially caused the mishap.
 
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