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Old May 21, 2021 | 06:42 PM
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Another vin decode....sorry

I did do some looking through the old decodes but couldn’t determine the year model definitely. Insurance documents in the cab say that it’s a 1967 but later documents say 1970 but they all list the same vin. I am guessing that it’s a late production 1967 since it has so many cab characteristics of the 1968. Best I can tell it’s a Kansas City build 15,000gvw with 164 hp @ 3800 rpms I just don’t understand how to date the H engine code number. I need to order exhaust manifold gaskets and a service manual so your assistance in determining a year model would be a considerable help and greatly appreciated!




 

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Welcome to FTE! No need to apologize for a decode. Let's see if I can get it right.

F50 = F500

C = 330 2V MD FT gas V8. This is the engine that uses the cast 352/360 crank, small distributor drive and a couple other differences. Still an FT with the heads and manifolds, front cover and bell the same as the other versions.

K = Kansas City Assembly Plant

H37227 = 1970 series number

132 = 132 inch wheelbase.

No paint code. Note truck is a special order--paint could be part of it.

F500 = F500, 15,000lbs GVWR

4 8 = Standard cab. I do not have the upholstery info.

A = New Process 435 four speed transmission

42 = Timken model D100 Single Speed Rear Axle / 6.20-1 / 13,000 lbs. Rear Axle Capacity.

There should be a 3 digit after "42" for the front axle. Since it is missing, either your codes are "hung over" from the '64 to '69 practice of listing only optional axles, OR, more likely, your front axle was part of the "special order".


15000 = 15,000lbs GVWR

164 3800 = 164 Certified Net HP @ 3800 RPM

620213

62 = Houston District Code
0213 = Special Order Number

I'll be back, let me know if something doesn't match up.
EDIT: Added rear axle info.
 

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Old May 21, 2021 | 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 85e150
Welcome to FTE! No need to apologize for a decode. Let's see if I can get it right.

F50 = F500

C = 330 2V MD FT gas V8. This is the engine that uses the cast 352 crank, small distributor drive and a couple other differences. Still an FT with the heads and manifolds, front cover and bell the same as the other versions.

K = Kansas City Assembly Plant

H37227 = 1970 series number

132 = 132 inch wheelbase.

No paint code. Note truck is a special order--paint could be part of it.




Orange!

F500 = F500, 15,000lbs GVWR

4 8 = Standard cab. I do not have the upholstery info.







Jc Whitney? Or Ford?



A = New Process 435 four speed transmission

42 = Rear axle code, I will be back to you on that.

15000 = 15,000lbs GVWR

164 3800 = 164 Certified Net HP @ 3800 RPM

620213

62 = Houston District Code
0213 = Special Order Number

I'll be back, let me know if something doesn't match up.

Thank you kindly for so much detailed information!
It has just been ingrained in me to do my own due diligence before asking for help!
I didnt want it to be a 1970, but it is what it is!
 

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Old May 21, 2021 | 08:59 PM
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There was no factory exhaust manifold gaskets. The manifolds were machined flat to seal.
 
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Old May 21, 2021 | 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ford390gashog
There was no factory exhaust manifold gaskets. The manifolds were machined flat to seal.
I guess there’s some erosion issues after a half century!

High temp silicone is definitely cheaper than store bought gaskets. Or maybe some exhaust putty I already have on hand for the tractors?
 
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Old May 21, 2021 | 11:15 PM
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If you have an eroded or warped manifold, that silicone isn't going to last long. What would hold it in place? Soft copper gaskets, if you can find them would be an alternative, or get the manifolds machined flat. Check the mating surface on the heads as well.

Also, it appears you have "widow maker" wheels, so read up on those and don't fool with them until you do.



 
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Old May 22, 2021 | 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 85e150
If you have an eroded or warped manifold, that silicone isn't going to last long. What would hold it in place? Soft copper gaskets, if you can find them would be an alternative, or get the manifolds machined flat. Check the mating surface on the heads as well.

Also, it appears you have "widow maker" wheels, so read up on those and don't fool with them until you do.
Thanks, I have never heard of engines without exhaust manifold gaskets.Good to know! Apparently it was “a better idea ” because after a half a century it’s still only an annoying sputter! If the lift mechanism is salvageable I’ll probably do a top end on it and take them the manifolds for milling. I still haven’t checked the other end of the manifolds. The majority of the noise may be coming from those connections as well. For the time being it just needs to idle while I work on the lift.

Sound advice on those split rings, they can take ones head right off! I have them, appropriately on my short bus and another set on my Eisenhower administration era travel trailer. I remember a time when most garages had the tire cages for inflation. Many tire shops these days are rightly terrified of them!


 
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Old May 22, 2021 | 04:12 AM
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4 8: 4 = Charcoal Black Kiwi Vinyl & Charcoal Black Diamond Basketweave Vinyl // 8 = 81A Standard Cab.

Ford did not install exhaust manifold gaskets, but they're available from NAPA and etc auto parts stores.
 
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Old May 22, 2021 | 09:07 AM
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Thanks for the additional information!
it seems like the current seat cover is aftermarket which makes sense because dark blue and Orange clash!
I will check with our local NAPA for those gaskets.

I let it idle for a few moments this morning with the PTO engaged, the boom extended for me and the switches are engaging the motors but I am willing to bet it’s got hydraulic leaks and is probably just low on fluid.
 
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Actually after a good scrubbing I can see the seat covers are not blue but charcoal basket weave!
I have worked out the bugs on the servi-lift but will replace a few more hoses and build a cover for the turret in order to protect the safety valves from falling branches. I still have not flown it to it’s full extent yet but I did elevate to about 20’





 
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Don't know if they were factory but a lot of the FT power trucks I worked on had heat shields that somewhat served as a gasket to




 
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Old Jun 10, 2021 | 08:18 AM
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I just ordered one, hopefully it has the heat shield, because the current one doesn’t.
update, I have all the servi-lift components operational so I am almost ready to begin pruning my personal forest!
 
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