CP4 Disaster prevention kit
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Gen 3, HO 6.7, does it allready have a cp4 Disaster prev, Kit? or need one? or even need one?
Does the Gen3 Platinum/Limited 2024 with 6.7 HO turbo, have the cp4 fuel injector pump? and if so, wouldn't the HO already have a cp4 disaster prevent kit of some type built into it? The truck seems to want to clean itself if it feels dirty (lol) while in park. I used to work on Military Cummings, Detroit's etc. back in the 90's not used to all the EPA stuff of now. We would just put JP-5 in the tank and Go.
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Does the Gen3 Platinum/Limited 2024 with 6.7 HO turbo, have the cp4 fuel injector pump? and if so, wouldn't the HO already have a cp4 disaster prevent kit of some type built into it? The truck seems to want to clean itself if it feels dirty (lol) while in park. I used to work on Military Cummings, Detroit's etc. back in the 90's not used to all the EPA stuff of now. We would just put JP-5 in the tank and Go.
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I'll assume it does, just like the new gen 23 6.7 Powerstroke does.
There is no built in "factory" DPK with the Bosch CP4 that Ford offers. Myself and others here have installed the S&S Diesel Motorsport's Gen 2 kit.
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I highly doubt Ford would spend a few $$ to put a second fuel line to the CP4 and a blocking plate to the volume control valve. As far as Ford is concerned, it is a non issue. Over in the EU where the CP4 is more widely used, their Diesel has more lubricity to it so they last much longer, so with the number sold, the failure rate is less than 1%. Bosch has admitted the US fuel Could cause issues, but thats about as far as it will ever be acknowledged. Installing a DPK either S&S or SPE, will go a long way to protect the fuel system and well worth the time and money.
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Today on the FB group, yet another 2019 CP4 failure. 81k miles. Dealer is saying "water intrusion". They likely won't cover it. In the comments another guy posted and said his blew up at 48k miles.
This is the only thing that terrifies me about the truck I bought this summer. I'm at 83k miles now. I use Hot Shots EDT with every fillup. First thing I did when I got this truck home is change both fuel filters and I plan to stay on this maintenance religiously. I do have a Ford ESP warranty for the next 48k miles. But it sounds like the warranty may be no good if Ford has a habit of denying. Sigh......
This is the only thing that terrifies me about the truck I bought this summer. I'm at 83k miles now. I use Hot Shots EDT with every fillup. First thing I did when I got this truck home is change both fuel filters and I plan to stay on this maintenance religiously. I do have a Ford ESP warranty for the next 48k miles. But it sounds like the warranty may be no good if Ford has a habit of denying. Sigh......
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Today on the FB group, yet another 2019 CP4 failure. 81k miles. Dealer is saying "water intrusion". They likely won't cover it. In the comments another guy posted and said his blew up at 48k miles.
This is the only thing that terrifies me about the truck I bought this summer. I'm at 83k miles now. I use Hot Shots EDT with every fillup. First thing I did when I got this truck home is change both fuel filters and I plan to stay on this maintenance religiously. I do have a Ford ESP warranty for the next 48k miles. But it sounds like the warranty may be no good if Ford has a habit of denying. Sigh......
This is the only thing that terrifies me about the truck I bought this summer. I'm at 83k miles now. I use Hot Shots EDT with every fillup. First thing I did when I got this truck home is change both fuel filters and I plan to stay on this maintenance religiously. I do have a Ford ESP warranty for the next 48k miles. But it sounds like the warranty may be no good if Ford has a habit of denying. Sigh......
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I gotta be honest, if your truck was mine, I'd be installing what I have now... a 2nd Gen S&S DPK. Quite frankly, it won't prevent the CP4 from failing, which in itself is not expensive, but will save you $$$ if you happen to get moisture laden fuel for some reason... which wouldn't be covered anyhow...
And, how hard is it for an average shade tree mechanic to install this kit?
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If I installed that kit, would it give me issues with warranty? I mean, a lot of guys get their warranty denied on these failures anyway, but some don't. Some have had luck getting it covered. But if I installed this kit and they saw that at the shop is that instant warranty denial?
And, how hard is it for an average shade tree mechanic to install this kit?
And, how hard is it for an average shade tree mechanic to install this kit?
- SEMA Certified Emissions Compliant (SC-SDM01-0020)
- Made in the USA
If you have basic mechanical abilities and experience, you can install this. Here's my thread here.
Here's the DPK kit here.
Look at this way, if the unthinkable happens and you get bad fuel, and it takes out the CP4, with the kit installed, you will save the rest of the fuel system and all that will have to be installed is a new CP4, or if you want to spend a little more, a DCR pump swap from S&S, instead of having to spend way more money and have the entire fuel system replaced.
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I would *NOT* be surprised if they tried to make a fuss over you installing one. As much as they will try to avoid warrantying stuff, I would imagine that digging into the fuel system on your own would be frowned upon by FoMoCo. The individual dealer may be willing to cut you a break.
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Nope... I hear ya... but if, and that's a big IF... if moisture is found, you're **** ed anyways. But gasoline and DEF will take out the CP4 also... there's also a thread here where a Ford Tech You Tuber was battling with a dealer when he had a CP4 failure and NO moisture or corrosion was found in his fuel system. Last I knew he still was fighting them... could have been resolved but I don't know. I believe it was @Beard Ford Tech Maybe he'll see this and comment...
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If I installed that kit, would it give me issues with warranty? I mean, a lot of guys get their warranty denied on these failures anyway, but some don't. Some have had luck getting it covered. But if I installed this kit and they saw that at the shop is that instant warranty denial?
And, how hard is it for an average shade tree mechanic to install this kit?
And, how hard is it for an average shade tree mechanic to install this kit?
leave it stock and if the cp4 fails…no warranty becuase of the ford warranty excuses and a 10k repair bill
or
install an $400 s&S DPK, and if the cp4 fails, still no warranty, but this time the repair bill would be about 2k for a new cp4.
i wonder what I would do.
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so let me see….
leave it stock and if the cp4 fails…no warranty becuase of the ford warranty excuses and a 10k repair bill
or
install an $400 s&S DPK, and if the cp4 fails, still no warranty, but this time the repair bill would be about 2k for a new cp4.
i wonder what I would do.
leave it stock and if the cp4 fails…no warranty becuase of the ford warranty excuses and a 10k repair bill
or
install an $400 s&S DPK, and if the cp4 fails, still no warranty, but this time the repair bill would be about 2k for a new cp4.
i wonder what I would do.
But, the flip side of the coin is I won't install the DPK myself, so I'm looking at almost a grand to get it installed. Then if it fails I'm still out $2k for a pump. So $3k total spent. That's not chump change. There is no guarantee Ford would cover a failure, but there's no guarantee they won't either. I have a decent relationship with my dealer. It's a tough call. If I have a failure and they cover it I'm only out $200 bucks....ten times less money.
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I hear ya'.
But, the flip side of the coin is I won't install the DPK myself, so I'm looking at almost a grand to get it installed. Then if it fails I'm still out $2k for a pump. So $3k total spent. That's not chump change. There is no guarantee Ford would cover a failure, but there's no guarantee they won't either. I have a decent relationship with my dealer. It's a tough call. If I have a failure and they cover it I'm only out $200 bucks....ten times less money.
But, the flip side of the coin is I won't install the DPK myself, so I'm looking at almost a grand to get it installed. Then if it fails I'm still out $2k for a pump. So $3k total spent. That's not chump change. There is no guarantee Ford would cover a failure, but there's no guarantee they won't either. I have a decent relationship with my dealer. It's a tough call. If I have a failure and they cover it I'm only out $200 bucks....ten times less money.
in my case I have an 8yr /125k ford extended
I have 19k miles on my 2019 f-450
i tried to get a few “warranty” appts over the last few years…same senerio
you get a “warranty” appt for 90 days out
a week before the “warranty” appt, you get a call to reschedule another 90 days out
happens till the 3rd reschedule, then your “warranty” appt gets cancelled and you get told your name is going on a someday list and someday you will get a call. Which never happens.
so I wind up taking my truck to PA (I live in NY) to get anything done.
the cost of my time to go to PA to drop off and pickup, plus gas and tolls, etc is much more than the cost of the DPK which I installed.
and if the cp4 fails I’ll replace that myself as well.
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$3K is still $5K less than $8K repair. Show your service advisor the DPK kit and ask if it would void warranty if properly installed. If that is your biggest hangup, but to date no one has complained that I am aware of for having warranty voided over the DPK.