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Old Jan 25, 2021 | 09:30 PM
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If you’re a ******* and don’t know how to adjust them
I haven't seen a single person who knows how to adjust them then. I work nights and almost all my driving is in the dark. I've seen it all.
Halogen headlamps are not designed for LED or HID bulbs.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2021 | 10:51 PM
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LED bulbs in the stock halogen housings is a good way to blind oncoming traffic.
I parked our truck pointing at the garage wall. Measured it all out (distance from truck to wall), shined the factory halogen lights on the wall, marked the wall with tape, and then, performed the swap from halogen to LEDs.

The truck (nor the wall - LOL) moved so much as 1/4". Once the LEDs were in place, I confirmed the light pattern was at or below the light cut-off for the halogens. From there, buttoned up the grill and I've been driving like that since.

I will admit, I have had oncoming traffic flash me with the high beams. That being said, my boss has factory LEDs and he's been flashed by oncoming traffic as well. My lights are throwing out some serious light. However, that light is (again) at or below the stock level. I think the people that are flashing me are doing so because there's a *****load of light and they see 4 bulbs burning. So, to them, I must have my high beams on.

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Old Jan 26, 2021 | 06:15 AM
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Old Jan 26, 2021 | 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ATC Crazy
LED bulbs in the stock halogen housings is a good way to blind oncoming traffic.
There it is! I knew someone would chime in with that old chestnut.
I started the original Beamtech thread way back when. I've since moved on to the Hikari LED after reading some website reviews along with a nice writeup here from a forum member who tried 3 different brands.
It's been a good move so far. They seem to be dialed in better than the Beamtech. Adjustment is key to avoid oncoming drivers. Headlight Revolution has some good YouTube videos on headlight adjustment. Good information even if you didn't buy their bulbs ( I didn't).
Key for me was their advice to use road signs to gauge your adjustment. If you see a sign a fair distance down the road and you low beams are lighting it up, you should probably adjust them downward.
Also, if you can see a car a good distance ahead of you and you know that you're lighting up his interior or you can see him adjusting his interior rearview, you should probably readjust.

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I’ve been considering adding LEDs to my 2021 as well. The beamtechs get a lot of praise on here so I’ll likely go with those. Do you have to take the grille off the truck to get at the headlights on the 2021s like you do on the 17-19s?
With the 6.2 I took the grille out initially. Then I learned that removing the washer tank filler neck & the air breather snorkel was faster and easier. The last time I did it on a 6.2 I removed nothing and had all 4 bulbs swapped out in about 15 minutes.
With my 2020 7.3/dual batteries I removed the washer tank filler and the top of the air breather. It was more of a struggle than the 6.2 but still better than removing the grille. Grille removal could involve losing or breaking fasteners or dropping the grille on the floor and really causing yourself an expensive headache.

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Old Jan 26, 2021 | 07:03 AM
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I just purchased a 2021 Ford F350 and have been reading different installations on LED Bulbs. Hate to take the entire front end off truck, grill + headlight housings, to swap out bulbs. Will have to watch more videos I guess about removing the air breather and filler neck method. I agree the yellowish looking halogen bulbs are very weak. I like the look of the brighter/whiter light.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2021 | 07:39 AM
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you can only adjust a bulb so far down to avoid binding people without sacrificing how far it throws light down the road, especially cause our trucks sit so high. Lighting up someones interior or mirrors is a fact of life considering the headlights sit 4' up.

You can't adjust how much light spills out in the areas you don't want it (minus loosening the set screws and moving the leds around which is meh, i've done it yet). This is why so many are against led bulbs in halogen reflectors. OP also said he wants the C running lights so led bulb swap should be off the table lol.

FWIW Morimoto posted a photo of their 2020+ headlights on their social media.

You get what you pay for. Buy a set of OEM housings with projectors retrofitted in them. you can have the builder do custom paint as well. Chrome reflectors aren't needed with projectors.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2021 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ATC Crazy
I haven't seen a single person who knows how to adjust them then. I work nights and almost all my driving is in the dark. I've seen it all.
Ok. I don’t doubt your observations. But you don’t know what other people have or haven’t adjusted. They might even have their high beams on. I just don’t have this issue. I have not been flashed in years and I do a lot of nighttime driving. I did adjust the beams way down. When I first put in the bulbs, my lows were highs and my highs were in the trees.

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Halogen headlamps are not designed for LED or HID bulbs.
Thats true, but similar to saying your truck is not designed for aftermarket wheels. Instead, the wheels are designed for the truck. These bulbs are designed as halogen replacements.

 
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Old Jan 26, 2021 | 10:06 AM
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I originally swapped out my bulbs on my 2017 to LEDs, and while the output was an amazing difference, I kept getting flashed by oncoming traffic. I think part of it is on my XLT, all four lights are on at once, so everyone thinks that your highs are in constantly. Last week I sprung for the Morimoto Hybrids. I also added LED bulbs in the turn signals. I really like the look of these lights, and I get good visibility at night, with no more blinding oncoming traffic.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2021 | 10:15 AM
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Thats true, but similar to saying your truck is not designed for aftermarket wheels. Instead, the wheels are designed for the truck. These bulbs are designed as halogen replacements.
No, it's not. Major false equivalence. It's more like saying factory wheels aren't right for dump truck tires.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2021 | 11:46 AM
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No, it's not. Major false equivalence. It's more like saying factory wheels aren't right for dump truck tires.
How is that a false equivalence, aside from you not knowing the meaning of “false equivalence”?
 
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Old Jan 26, 2021 | 11:58 AM
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Halogen bulbs belong in halogen housings. Nothing else. The light pattern is not the same from an LED bulb to a halogen bulb. Constantly there are threads on here about guys swapping to LED bulbs, not just in this subforum, but across most of them from 87 onward when they swapped to a plastic housing. There's a theme to almost all of them. The guys will tell you that the cut-off is the same, the light pattern is amazing, BUT they had to adjust the housing way down to keep from blinding oncoming traffic. There is a ton of "spill" to the light pattern when using the wrong bulb in the halogen housing, and their answer is to adjust down until they think they're not blinding oncoming traffic enough to get flashed for it.

LED bulbs are a fantastic technological step forward in automotive lighting, but should be used in a housing designed to utilize them fully.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2021 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by GNR22
Halogen bulbs belong in halogen housings. Nothing else. The light pattern is not the same from an LED bulb to a halogen bulb. Constantly there are threads on here about guys swapping to LED bulbs, not just in this subforum, but across most of them from 87 onward when they swapped to a plastic housing. There's a theme to almost all of them. The guys will tell you that the cut-off is the same, the light pattern is amazing, BUT they had to adjust the housing way down to keep from blinding oncoming traffic. There is a ton of "spill" to the light pattern when using the wrong bulb in the halogen housing, and their answer is to adjust down until they think they're not blinding oncoming traffic enough to get flashed for it.

LED bulbs are a fantastic technological step forward in automotive lighting, but should be used in a housing designed to utilize them fully.
This is just not true. I'm telling you; I put the latest and greatest LED bulbs into a brand new F450. I had painters tape on a white wall in front of the truck. The new LED's did not have a distorted or ugly beam pattern. I can tell you our light is not above the horizontal line on the wall where factory halogens put their light and, it's not scattered either.

I've got some (way) less expensive LEDs for an older (halogen) housing in a car from LED Lights, Bulbs & LED Lighting Accessories | superbrightleds.com. They flat out sucked!

I've seen inexpensive LEDs into old housings and cutting edge LEDs into new housings. There is absolutely no comparison.

If it's been a while since you've tried LEDs, you should reconsider making dated statements.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2021 | 01:40 PM
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This is just not true. I'm telling you; I put the latest and greatest LED bulbs into a brand new F450. I had painters tape on a white wall in front of the truck. The new LED's did not have a distorted or ugly beam pattern. I can tell you our light is not above the horizontal line on the wall where factory halogens put their light and, it's not scattered either.

I've got some (way) less expensive LEDs for an older (halogen) housing in a car from LED Lights, Bulbs & LED Lighting Accessories | superbrightleds.com. They flat out sucked!

I've seen inexpensive LEDs into old housings and cutting edge LEDs into new housings. There is absolutely no comparison.

If it's been a while since you've tried LEDs, you should reconsider making dated statements.

Translation: Believe me, I know more than those automotive lighting engineers, and those guys at the Department of Transportation. They just don't want you to know that you can absolutely achieve the same results at home without spending millions of dollars on research. All you need is some LED lightbulbs and masking tape. Don't be a sucker and spend the money to do it the way the engineers suggest. Sure, people may flash their lights at me, but I can't tell how much I'm pissing them off from where I'm sitting, so I just ignore that and distract by saying I know a guy with OE headlights that got flashed.

Absolutely asinine.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2021 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by frambach
This is just not true. I'm telling you; I put the latest and greatest LED bulbs into a brand new F450. I had painters tape on a white wall in front of the truck. The new LED's did not have a distorted or ugly beam pattern. I can tell you our light is not above the horizontal line on the wall where factory halogens put their light and, it's not scattered either.

I've got some (way) less expensive LEDs for an older (halogen) housing in a car from LED Lights, Bulbs & LED Lighting Accessories | superbrightleds.com. They flat out sucked!

I've seen inexpensive LEDs into old housings and cutting edge LEDs into new housings. There is absolutely no comparison.

If it's been a while since you've tried LEDs, you should reconsider making dated statements.
I see you've only got 45 posts on the forum. In time you'll see that sometimes it's just better to let it pass you by on this forum.
I've had all these arguments in the past. They believe what they believe. I believe what I believe. None of us is going to change the mind of the other side. It becomes a debate with internet strangers and I find that there are better ways to spend my time.
This is a great place to learn about these trucks. I know that I've learned from reading and had others post to help me out. Now I make a post and move on. If someone wants to argue a point they can find another pigeon. Not worth it to me to revisit a post 10 times just to go point/counterpoint with someone who HAS to be right and that I will never know personally anyway.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2021 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Poncho450
I see you've only got 45 posts on the forum. In time you'll see that sometimes it's just better to let it pass you by on this forum.
I've had all these arguments in the past. They believe what they believe. I believe what I believe. None of us is going to change the mind of the other side. It becomes a debate with internet strangers and I find that there are better ways to spend my time.
This is a great place to learn about these trucks. I know that I've learned from reading and had others post to help me out. Now I make a post and move on. If someone wants to argue a point they can find another pigeon. Not worth it to me to revisit a post 10 times just to go point/counterpoint with someone who HAS to be right and that I will never know personally anyway.
Post count is 100% irrelevant: I've been running dealership service departments for twenty years and I've seen so many of these dip****s roll through with their lighting modifications they think are the cat's ***, but there's no cat. Just straight ***.
 
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