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Old Nov 28, 2020 | 12:31 PM
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Hand crank start?

Is it possible to hand crank start a 49 F1 V8
 
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Old Nov 28, 2020 | 12:36 PM
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Does it have a magneto?

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Old Nov 28, 2020 | 12:51 PM
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Does it have a magneto?

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No, just wondering
 
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Old Nov 28, 2020 | 01:24 PM
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It is, that is why a hand crank was supplied with the tool kit. Until 51, when the hand crank hole had a piece of tin spot welded over it, a hole was stamped in sheet metal for this purpose. I have not done it myself.
 
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Old Nov 28, 2020 | 02:13 PM
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We hand crank Lincoln SA200 welding machines with a 4 cylinder, Continental F162 gasoline engine. They are equipped with a mag and no battery.... But, a different setup.

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Old Nov 28, 2020 | 04:50 PM
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My understanding (and I could be wrong) is that the lug wrench doubled as a crank. One end a lug wrench, one end a crank.
 
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Old Nov 28, 2020 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by josephguldan
Is it possible to hand crank start a 49 F1 V8
set brake, trans in neutral, key on...........crank..........should start right up if you have a battery.
If no battery.......maybe not so much. IDK.
Cranking would theoretically be no different that bump starting by rolling in gear and popping the clutch.
I have not started anything automotive by cranking, but tractors and stationary engines yes.........and kick started quite a few Harleys back in the day too!

EDIT: I should have put the caveat in that IF the engine has the end on the crankshaft for hand cranking.
 
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Old Nov 28, 2020 | 07:10 PM
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My understanding (and I could be wrong) is that the lug wrench doubled as a crank. One end a lug wrench, one end a crank.
Not possible, unfortunately, with the stock lug wrench (per Lin Stacey - the guru of Ford tool kits). Reaching the crank from outside the grille is a longer reach than the lug wrench can handle. In addition, hand cranks aren't usually closed end. In order to prevent injury to the cranker, the hand crank and the fitting on the end of the crank nut need to allow a quick and sure separation. Those that I've seen have 'T' features on the working end of the hand crank and the fittings had one way catches.
 
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Old Nov 28, 2020 | 10:14 PM
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On my 52 I see a large oval hole in the front bottom valance that’s factory welded up. Every truck 51 -52 has the same feature. Is this the hand crank hole? Why would it be welded up? Did people use it by cutting through this piece?
 
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Old Nov 29, 2020 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by FortyNiner
Not possible, unfortunately, with the stock lug wrench (per Lin Stacey - the guru of Ford tool kits). Reaching the crank from outside the grille is a longer reach than the lug wrench can handle. In addition, hand cranks aren't usually closed end. In order to prevent injury to the cranker, the hand crank and the fitting on the end of the crank nut need to allow a quick and sure separation. Those that I've seen have 'T' features on the working end of the hand crank and the fittings had one way catches.
im certainly no guru, but I saw this on eBay. It says it’s a hand crank with extension. That doesn’t mean it’s correct.


 
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Old Nov 29, 2020 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by FortyNiner
Not possible, unfortunately, with the stock lug wrench (per Lin Stacey - the guru of Ford tool kits). Reaching the crank from outside the grille is a longer reach than the lug wrench can handle. In addition, hand cranks aren't usually closed end. In order to prevent injury to the cranker, the hand crank and the fitting on the end of the crank nut need to allow a quick and sure separation. Those that I've seen have 'T' features on the working end of the hand crank and the fittings had one way catches.
Here is the fitting on the crank pulley:



That said; I can't imagine hand cranking a "newer" 239. The early Ford 4-banger engines only had 4.5:1 compression. And they were known to break fingers, wrists, and even arms. With a few dislocations here and there. The V8 engines started with low compression but it went up fairly quickly.

I'm not saying they didn't do it - the above bolt is listed to 1947 - I'm just saying I can't imagine actually cranking one. Those guys were a lot tougher than me.
 
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Old Nov 29, 2020 | 08:52 AM
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Make sure Mom picks up a box of Wheaties first thing tomorrow, gang!

Once hand cranking was replaced with electric start, why, any dang fool could drive a car. Sad!
 
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Old Nov 29, 2020 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by EffieTrucker
Here is the fitting on the crank pulley:



That said; I can't imagine hand cranking a "newer" 239. The early Ford 4-banger engines only had 4.5:1 compression. And they were known to break fingers, wrists, and even arms. With a few dislocations here and there. The V8 engines started with low compression but it went up fairly quickly.

I'm not saying they didn't do it - the above bolt is listed to 1947 - I'm just saying I can't imagine actually cranking one. Those guys were a lot tougher than me.
Yes there is a hole in the grille but I have never seen the listed 1947 bolt on any 8RT or 8BA none in my life and that goes back when new...?????
 
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Old Nov 29, 2020 | 09:25 AM
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At one time I had a 1942 American LaFrance fire truck that had a big V-12. That engine was set up to crank start. I didn't have the crank, but it had the fitting in the end of the crankshaft and an access hole through the grill. The dang crank would have had to have been at least 3' long to reach. I can't imagine trying to get that V-12 to spin over.....sheesh
 
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Old Nov 29, 2020 | 10:20 AM
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As a kid, I watched my Dad crank start the old Ferguson tractor on occasion. There was a very specific approach he took to only stand on the left side of the hand crank, only pull up from the bottom, and immediately step away. He has a barrel-chested farm boy and it took some doin' on his part. I don't recall seening him attempt more than a quarter turn.

The crank nut image that Effie provided is the one on my 59-AB original to the '46 Tudor.
 
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