A good factual read for those who feel our State Government is delving into unchartered waters - - -

On December 11, 1983, 25 year-old Missourian Nancy Cruzan was in a serious car accident, pronounced dead at the scene by police, then resuscitated by paramedics. Years later, Cruzan’s parents (HERE WE HAVE MICHAEL) wanted to withdraw the artificial hydration and nutrition that kept their daughter alive in a persistent vegetative state. The facility caring for Cruzan insisted on a court order before doing so, and the case entered the legal system. The trial court ruled that tube feedings could be withheld, but the nursing facility ( HERE WE HAVE TERRI'S PARENTS) appealed. The Missouri Supreme Court reversed the decision of the trial court and severely restricted family decision-making on behalf of incompetent patients. It required "clear and convincing evidence" of the patient’s wishes to refuse treatment, such as a living will. LOOK HERE FOLKS >>> On June 25, 1990, the U.S. Supreme Court ( WHO? THE BIG BOYS!) affirmed the right of the State of Missouri to demand clear and convincing evidence of a person’s expressed wishes made while competent. The majority opinion also held that competent patients have a "constitutionally protected liberty interest in refusing unwanted medical treatment" under the due process clause. The court stated, however, that incompetent patients (TERRI S.) need certain protection because they cannot exercise this right directly. HERE YOU GO >>> Thus, states may establish procedural safeguards for incompetent patients. The individual’s durable right to refuse treatment, which they affirmed, must be balanced against relevant state interest in >>> the preservation of life. <<<

After the Supreme Court ruling, the Cruzans petitioned the trial court in Missouri to rehear their request to discontinue tube feedings. THE SOLUTION - WHALAH! >>> New witnesses came forward. One of the women who had worked with Cruzan said that during one conversation, Cruzan had agreed that if she were a "vegetable" she would not want to be fed by force or kept alive by machines. Cruzan’s physician also changed his mind in favor of stopping the feedings. As a result, authorization was given to remove feedings and Cruzan died shortly thereafter. This case encouraged the development of advance directives that appoint a patient advocate or proxy. >>> ( LIVING WILLS, POWER OF ATTORNEY) <<< [Source: 497 U.S. 261 (1990); see also Supreme Court Collection.]

So you see ... FL. Legislature and your Governor acted on behalf of Teri's "preservation of life" as did the Supreme Court of the United States, not independent of the law. No hidden agenda.

Missouri courts further upheld the law by protecting a life and in the second case also FOR Nancy Cruzan, with witness testimonies confirmed her wishes prior to her accident and allowed the support to stop.

Emotions run wild ... realize the facts and accept that the law of the land for over two hundred years in this country has protected us. Oh yes, times are different for sure and not everyone will look at this issue with an informed eye --- we have journalists and news teams telling us what to think, Hah!

This might work --- Someone should volunteer to tell Michael and a courtroom that one day years ago in a grocery store line, he or she had an indepth conversation with Teri and remembered her stating "I would never want to live in a vegetative state, you know hooked to tubes and machines and stuff".

Until the end, my thoughts go to both sides of this trying issue and Kudos to elected officials and courtroom judges who do their job! In the mean time ... where's my will and stuff?

 

So all you believers out there:
is it not going against the will of god to indefinitely prolong the life of a person whom he has chosen to join his realm? I'm sure God doesn't like tug-of war matches...
I would like to go on record with all of you and state that my wish is to be taken off of life support in the event of such a catastrophe. Thank you.
BDV

 

What a qu incidence! They are now planning to appoint a guardian ad litem for Schiavo. Its about time huh!

 

Have you guys read the full story???? Why is she in the condition she is? Because her husband beat the living hell out of her. Stand by her hell, he's done everything he can to have her killed. That's why he also wanted her body cremated immediately if she died.

As far as the people of Florida paying for this you can thank her husband again. The parents have asked repeatedly to turn her over to them. He has refused and in fact gone so far as to bar the family from seeing her at all. This is a mess of HIS making.

I have a real problem with this one. I support the family and I think the husband is slime.

 

You have been reading a bunch of hogwash. The stories about her husband beating her were trumped up by her family and were proven bogus a long time ago. That is not why shes in this condition it was due to a heart attack. As for having her cremated imediately after she dies thats a normal procedure. The parents have been going against everybody involved from her husband to the doctors,lawyers and any who opposes them for many years. I live across the bay from where shes at so it's not like i don't hear about it.

 

Wiz --- that case law applies to the person who can still make decisions as a backup so to speak. It's too late for Terri, unless the court can prove way back when, she stated or wrote her request for such a matter as the current event.

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Ultramagdan --- I new someone would finally bring forth more facts to sweeten the thread. Turn off the TVs and do your homework people --- Good work, Ultra!

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Ooops!

Kudos to Ultra was in reference to who is paying for this --- let her parents handle her.

 

So the stories at worldnetdaily.com are questionable? Glenn Beck has been pretty outspoken about this and he used to be in your area. I have not seen anything that refutes that her body had not been severely traumitized. Could you provide a link for me please?

Is the issue about the parents willing to take care of her also incorrect?

Based on the video I have seen and the reports I have read, the husband is on a mission and he found a very sympathic judge to finish what he started.

 

The parents are anxious to care for her daughter, don't know about the abuse issue --- got a good read available?

Her husband found not a sympathetic judge ... just another willing to push the envelope I feel. Think of the political gain, seems to me most judges focus on long term employment more than justice and enforcing law as written (not interpreted).

 

IMO Glen Beck is only out for ratings he proved that when he was here. I have met Beck and i'm not impressed but i won't go into that. I will look into a link for you the parents pushed that issue about a year ago so i'll have to do some digging.

The state is taking care of her there is no more money its all gone. BTW the husband has nothing to gain by her dying.


Actually several judges have ruled in the husbands favor and then the parents counter with another court action and it has been going on like that for a long time.

Don't get me wrong i'm not on anyones side on this i just feel after 13 years and no hope of rehabilitation i think its about time to let go.

 

Thanks for any links you can provide Wiz. I'll be the first one to admitt though that Beck is a shmuck. However, I think he does have convictions and on this one I agree with him (now I'm a shmuck).

"The state is taking care of her there is no more money its all gone. BTW the husband has nothing to gain by her dying. "

Then why is he fighting it so hard? Why would he deny any therapy, teeth brushing, etc? If he loved her and truly cared for her he would still want her to be taken care of until she died. If the reports about the trauma to her body are correct then he has a lot at stake by ensuring that she dies.

On your comment about Glenn's ratings. He mentioned today what his bosses want him to do about the story. Drop it, since the story has done nothing for his ratings. Even O'Reilly had a poll and most of the people there thought that she should be allowed to die.

I admitt it, I have a problem with the right to die issue. Because I feel you don't have a right to die. That is something that is up to the creator. The right to die is an issue to be misused by those with an agenda. Does this mean we keep bodies alive when the brain is dead? No. But you also don't let people die without at least trying to help them. And that has been denied to Terri. No therapy.

Steven Hawkins comes to mind and there are many other people who have been in comas, injured, etc. that now produce more than when they meet the standard for having a meaningful existence. Look at the parents who have kids with Down's syndrome. Show me one who wishes their kid was dead.

Enough from me.

http://www.terrisfight.org/

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...TICLE_ID=35231

 

UMG --- Great reads/links, hope others will. Thanks!

 

For some reason i can't get http://www.terrisfight.org/ to load i'll try later. I will say this as far a denying simple things like teeth brushing and such thats the first i've heard of it.

If the reports about the trauma to her body are correct then he has a lot at stake by ensuring that she dies.

I don't think after 13 years there would be any evidence of trauma if that actually happened.


Here is brief history of the Schiavo story

http://www.worldrtd.org/SchiavoChronology.html

 

Regardless of the exact circumstances, I agree fully with Carlene and most posters here.

He should pull the plug.

I would NEVER want to live to be a BURDEN to my family.

You have to ask yourself, is she really alive? IMHO, No.

Fisher, I'm surprised that given your religious convictions, you support this at all. Though I realixe your main contention is with the method they've chosen to euthanize her.

Waxy

 

hey waxy...I've been wondering where you were....I guess that my conviction is the reason I support it...As I have said several times....I wish I knew what the right answer is...I think its a hard decision. But based on what I have heard and what I have read...(which, who knows how many of us have anywhere near half the true story) if there is any kind brain activity or stimulus response that she is still alive. And I guess from that point of view to just pull the tube would be murdering her....I know...it sounds stupid and nobody else agrees with me...and thats fine. I 'm a big boy and can take it. I wish there was an easy way where she could go and not suffer and not enduring a long agonizing death. I just don't think pulling her feeding tube is the answer.