Right to die.
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carpe_diem I agree with your point.
Here's the latest news.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...TICLE_ID=35276
I still say her husband made her who she is.
Here's the latest news.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...TICLE_ID=35276
I still say her husband made her who she is.
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Ah, yeah, but ...
Head injuries don't cause cardiac arrest with low potassiums. If she had a cardiac arrest, it was a separate issue. Unfortunately, the article takes a tiny point in the question and ignores the real issue. Is she bound to continue suffering? Comatose or not, she is suffering.
You ducked the issue of prolonging suffering earlier. The Supremes, in a bizzarre ruling said we have no right to die, okay. The Hippocratic oath states that a physician's duty is to alleviate suffering. Does the state take that duty away? I contend being stuck in that dingy nursing home (have you been in one?) is suffering. Being unable to actively interact is suffering.
Head injuries don't cause cardiac arrest with low potassiums. If she had a cardiac arrest, it was a separate issue. Unfortunately, the article takes a tiny point in the question and ignores the real issue. Is she bound to continue suffering? Comatose or not, she is suffering.
You ducked the issue of prolonging suffering earlier. The Supremes, in a bizzarre ruling said we have no right to die, okay. The Hippocratic oath states that a physician's duty is to alleviate suffering. Does the state take that duty away? I contend being stuck in that dingy nursing home (have you been in one?) is suffering. Being unable to actively interact is suffering.
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Originally posted by kennyrrt
You ducked the issue of prolonging suffering earlier.
You ducked the issue of prolonging suffering earlier.
Because you have a thorn in your side, does that mean you have the right to die? The photos of Terri show a happy women when her parents visit. Maybe she isn't suffering enough. I guess we could starve her.
Your definition needs clarification.
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The photos that are very seldom shown of him with his wife are also very touching. She's smiling at him too. I don't know if he has clean hands or not, but he made it through the civil litigation charging the doctor(s) for hundreds of thousands of dollars and won and has made it through many years of other litigations. Her parents pop up with abuse charges. You can't tell me that that hasn't been investigated. Something just doesn't smell right. Lets face it, anyone, with enough $$$'s behind them, can say anything and make Joe Public believe it. I don't believe either side, but I do know that MY government stepping in is wrong.
All of the "so-called" facts from one side still doesn't change the fact that our governor should not put his nose in where it doesn't belong. Why should a representative of "all" of the people of the state be allowed to create a law that is supposed to apply to one person. Gee, you don't suppose Terri's folks have any $$$$'s or pull do you?????
If you truely believe that our Gov. Bush is correct, you take Terri, her parents and "her" governor to your state. Give me someone that's for all the people.
All of the "so-called" facts from one side still doesn't change the fact that our governor should not put his nose in where it doesn't belong. Why should a representative of "all" of the people of the state be allowed to create a law that is supposed to apply to one person. Gee, you don't suppose Terri's folks have any $$$$'s or pull do you?????
If you truely believe that our Gov. Bush is correct, you take Terri, her parents and "her" governor to your state. Give me someone that's for all the people.
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Originally posted by fisher_of_man
I'm not saying I have the perfect answer at all....If she's still living then her spirit is still here. and as I said above I don't advocate making her or anyone else suffer by keeping her on....but I don't advocate pulling the feeding tube and letting her starve to death. I'm not real sure what the best answer for everyone involved is....but she could go for weeks without the food and just suffer ....talk about a terrible way to go. yes, he should be able to fulfill her wishes in certain cases. I know this is a very touchy subject and everyone wonders about the people that have to suffer along side the dying, but isn't that included in for better or worse? I hope I or my wife never have to be faced with such a choice, but whether I am or not, I am committed to the relationship I have and will be til death do us part.
I'm not saying I have the perfect answer at all....If she's still living then her spirit is still here. and as I said above I don't advocate making her or anyone else suffer by keeping her on....but I don't advocate pulling the feeding tube and letting her starve to death. I'm not real sure what the best answer for everyone involved is....but she could go for weeks without the food and just suffer ....talk about a terrible way to go. yes, he should be able to fulfill her wishes in certain cases. I know this is a very touchy subject and everyone wonders about the people that have to suffer along side the dying, but isn't that included in for better or worse? I hope I or my wife never have to be faced with such a choice, but whether I am or not, I am committed to the relationship I have and will be til death do us part.
This is a very controversial topic and a hard one for many of us to make a decision on. People have been living in a coma state for years, only to suddenly come out of it. Who is to say that it is not possible for even the brain dead to suddenly regain that "spark" that kicks the brain back into overdrive?
Until I am placed into that situation I cannot make an honest decision. I can sit here and make an emotional decision, but is it one I could live with for the rest of eternity? If I were in the "brain dead" position, would I care?
When objects were placed over the young lady's face and moved, her eyes followed it.... to me that suggests there is some type of "process" occurring, other than an automatic one.
I do not ever wish to be placed in a position of being God and taking someone's life, unless it is in the process of defending myself or someone else from harm or death. But that is another thread, entirely.
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From what I've heard or read, the husband has denied all sorts of attempts at rehabilitation. I'm leaning towards giving custody to her parents. Her parents want to exhaust every last method that medical technology has to attempt to improve her condition. I say let them, then if there is still no improvement.. at least they know they tried everything possible. They can then make the decision to let their daughter go.
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Originally posted by Ultramagdan
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Because you have a thorn in your side, does that mean you have the right to die? The photos of Terri show a happy women when her parents visit. Maybe she isn't suffering enough. I guess we could starve her.
Your definition needs clarification.
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Because you have a thorn in your side, does that mean you have the right to die? The photos of Terri show a happy women when her parents visit. Maybe she isn't suffering enough. I guess we could starve her.
Your definition needs clarification.
I also used the analogy earlier of why would put a person through more SUFFERING than we would the family dog? Yes, I feel it applies in spades.
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Originally posted by carpe_diem
all rights are divinely given by definition. Therefore, there is no " right " to die.
If u think the state is the source of rights, then that's something else entirely.
all rights are divinely given by definition. Therefore, there is no " right " to die.
If u think the state is the source of rights, then that's something else entirely.
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"Here's the latest news.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/artic...RTICLE_ID=35276
I still say her husband made her who she is."
I respectfully disagree on this point. And I wish I had a link from the St. Pete Times to back me up on this. Does anyone remember reading about Terri suffering from an eating disorder that caused the potassium imbalance? I do. Just so many years gone by that I don't have a dadgum link.
The whole thing is a mess. Pull my plug when I'm done and give a hungry kid a meal. Or therapy for someone with an eating disorder.
My $0.02.
Oldbones
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/artic...RTICLE_ID=35276
I still say her husband made her who she is."
I respectfully disagree on this point. And I wish I had a link from the St. Pete Times to back me up on this. Does anyone remember reading about Terri suffering from an eating disorder that caused the potassium imbalance? I do. Just so many years gone by that I don't have a dadgum link.
The whole thing is a mess. Pull my plug when I'm done and give a hungry kid a meal. Or therapy for someone with an eating disorder.
My $0.02.
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Oldbones i know the article you your talking about but when i went looking in the archives they only go back to 2000. this is all they have. http://www.sptimes.com/2003/webspecials03/schiavo/
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Good question. My answer is yes, primarily based on instances of people suffering from terminal illnesses where their quality of life deteriorated to what they considered an unacceptable level. They should have that personal option. Mentally ill people who reach that stage of hopelessness are going to do it anyway, so I don’t think that’s an issue.
I haven’t followed the Kevorkian saga, what is the law’s position on physician-assisted suicide?
Most US belief systems deny their followers the option of suicide, is that a big factor in legislation regarding physician-assisted suicide? Or, to use sinjin’s apt definition, is political fear of offending the prude vote driving those laws?
I’ve been around a couple of terminal cancer patients who begged their MDs to end their misery (towards the end even morphine has no effect on the mental aspect of suffering) and those doctors explained they’re not allowed that option nor could they see it becoming available in the near future. I privately asked one, a younger woman in residence, what she felt about assisted suicide and she refused comment, citing liability issues. To me, that was a pretty good answer for a no answer.
I haven’t followed the Kevorkian saga, what is the law’s position on physician-assisted suicide?
Most US belief systems deny their followers the option of suicide, is that a big factor in legislation regarding physician-assisted suicide? Or, to use sinjin’s apt definition, is political fear of offending the prude vote driving those laws?
I’ve been around a couple of terminal cancer patients who begged their MDs to end their misery (towards the end even morphine has no effect on the mental aspect of suffering) and those doctors explained they’re not allowed that option nor could they see it becoming available in the near future. I privately asked one, a younger woman in residence, what she felt about assisted suicide and she refused comment, citing liability issues. To me, that was a pretty good answer for a no answer.
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Thanks George, that is very well put.
I happen to agree, but, the law is supposedly the will of the people. If we have the right to commit suicide, and Mike Schiavo wants Terri to die, legally he has the right to stop her feeds. The patient self determination act of 1990 empowers the SPOUSE of a patient to make these kinds of decisions, lacking the patients input.
Interesting study, this ethics. A belief in some personally acceptable act often flies in the face of society and the law.
I happen to agree, but, the law is supposedly the will of the people. If we have the right to commit suicide, and Mike Schiavo wants Terri to die, legally he has the right to stop her feeds. The patient self determination act of 1990 empowers the SPOUSE of a patient to make these kinds of decisions, lacking the patients input.
Interesting study, this ethics. A belief in some personally acceptable act often flies in the face of society and the law.