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The yellow payload number comes from the 14,000 GVWR minus the curb weight of 9417. This gives 4583 Payload. It's not technically directly related to the axle ratings and extra equipment.
Yes, I understand that. But folks here are saying the yellow payload stickers doesn't legally establish the actual payload of the truck, and that it's actually based on the GVWR of the axles and the tires. I'm just trying to find out which camp is correct - the camp that says it's the yellow payload sticker or the camp that says it's the axle and tire ratings.
Went through this earlier this year with our Arctic Fox 811. We are over GVWR but under axle ratings. Went to a tire and wheel combo where tires are rated at 4080 and wheels 4500. Truck handles the weight great. Damn RV manufactured and their magic calculators
Here's my white and yellow stickers. The combined carrying capacity of the front and rear axle comes out to 15,900 lbs. My truck weighed 9450 at the scales. According to the wisdom here, that would mean I have a real world payload of 6450 lbs. My yellow payload sticker OTOH, shows a much lower payload because my 2017 F450 Platinum has all sorts of lux items including the Reese/Ford OEM 27.5k factory fifth wheel hitch.
Does that sound correct?
I will say it again, not that it makes any difference, but the yellow sticker is not the legal payload.
That is Ford's recommendation, nothing else.
Don't exceed tire or axle ratings or registered gvwr and you are legal.
So does that mean my real payload limit is 9900 lb since that's what is listed as the rear axle GVWR? Sorry to be obtuse. I'm trying to unlearn the conventional "wisdom".
Originally Posted by longhaultransport
I will say it again, not that it makes any difference, but the yellow sticker is not the legal payload.
That is Ford's recommendation, nothing else.
Don't exceed tire or axle ratings or registered gvwr and you are legal.
So does that mean my real payload limit is 9900 lb since that's what is listed as the rear axle GVWR? Sorry to be obtuse. I'm trying to unlearn the conventional "wisdom".
No. A portion of the curb weight of the truck is being applied to the rear axle so some of the axle rating is already used. You also have to consider both axle ratings, not just the rear. Payload is GVWR - curb weight.
The legal payload capacity will change day to day as you burn/add fuel, pickup/drop off passengers, load groceries or bags of mulch etc.
Add the two axle ratings together based on the door sticker, then subtract the weight of the truck to get the payload at the current time. If you leave the scale and pick up 1000lbs worth of passengers then you current payload just went down by 1000lbs.
Having said that, you still can't exceed the tire ratings, the individual axle ratings or the registered gvwr. For example, if you add the axles and subtract the actual scale weight of the truck and you end up with 5000lbs of payload, you won't necessarily be able to carry 5000lbs if the placement of the load exceeds the axle or tire rating, or it puts you over the registered gvwr.
Well, my two axle ratings come out to 16,500 lbs. Curb weight of the truck is 9450 lbs with a full tank of gas. So theoretically I have 7050 lbs payload capacity. Tires are rated at 3950 each. Since it's a DRW, the tire capacity far exceeds any potential payload. But since my truck is registered as a Class III light pickup at 14,000 lbs, my legal payload is 4550, which is what the yellow sticker says. Is that correct?
So this speaks to the legal payload capacity, not the actual capacity of the truck which is 2500 lbs more than the legal payload on paper. Is that correct?
Originally Posted by longhaultransport
I will say it again, not that it makes any difference, but the yellow sticker is not the legal payload.
That is Ford's recommendation, nothing else.
Don't exceed tire or axle ratings or registered gvwr and you are legal.
Originally Posted by longhaultransport
The legal payload capacity will change day to day as you burn/add fuel, pickup/drop off passengers, load groceries or bags of mulch etc.
Add the two axle ratings together based on the door sticker, then subtract the weight of the truck to get the payload at the current time. If you leave the scale and pick up 1000lbs worth of passengers then you current payload just went down by 1000lbs.
Having said that, you still can't exceed the tire ratings, the individual axle ratings or the registered gvwr. For example, if you add the axles and subtract the actual scale weight of the truck and you end up with 5000lbs of payload, you won't necessarily be able to carry 5000lbs if the placement of the load exceeds the axle or tire rating, or it puts you over the registered gvwr.
Yes, the F-450 is paper de-rated to 14,000 The F-450 should have a gvwr of 16,000 but for some that would put it into commercial rates for registration and insurance. If you intend on weighing more than 14,000 you need to register it higher.
The F-350 is also 14,000, so you can see the de-rate of the F-450 right there.
Thank you for taking the time to clear this up. It's been a source of confusion for some time now.
Originally Posted by longhaultransport
Yes, the F-450 is paper de-rated to 14,000 The F-450 should have a gvwr of 16,000 but for some that would put it into commercial rates for registration and insurance. If you intend on weighing more than 14,000 you need to register it higher.
The F-350 is also 14,000, so you can see the de-rate of the F-450 right there.
Yes, the F-450 is paper de-rated to 14,000 The F-450 should have a gvwr of 16,000 but for some that would put it into commercial rates for registration and insurance. If you intend on weighing more than 14,000 you need to register it higher.
The F-350 is also 14,000, so you can see the de-rate of the F-450 right there.
I got so sick of fighting people including dot scales and officers that I contacted our DOT main office in Lansing and had the head of the division write me a letter that stated if I was not exceeding tire and axle ratings and the GVW that I was good. I have a good friend that was hauling a D4 cat on a 3 axle tandem tag trailer with a 1 ton that the scale master made him go over the scales 3 time because they could not believe he was legal. No ticket was issues and he continued on his way. Too many people guessing including some officers. Cj
I have a good friend that was hauling a D4 cat on a 3 axle tandem tag trailer with a 1 ton that the scale master made him go over the scales 3 time because they could not believe he was legal. Cj
You had me intrigue as I had no idea what a D4 Cat was. It's not as heavy as I would have thought. Total weight probably not as much as some really large 5th wheels being towed on this site unless that trailer was really heavy.
I got so sick of fighting people including dot scales and officers that I contacted our DOT main office in Lansing and had the head of the division write me a letter that stated if I was not exceeding tire and axle ratings and the GVW that I was good. I have a good friend that was hauling a D4 cat on a 3 axle tandem tag trailer with a 1 ton that the scale master made him go over the scales 3 time because they could not believe he was legal. No ticket was issues and he continued on his way. Too many people guessing including some officers. Cj
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