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Old Sep 18, 2020 | 09:12 AM
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Hi new here I just bought a 1968? f600 dump truck was needing vin decoded please. #F60CKC78264. Also was going to pick up a 1986 f600 with same six hole axles and going to use rims because I'm pretty sure I have the bad ones. The vin code on 86 is #1FDMF60HXGVA26509. I also wanted to put front axle out of 86 on the 68 so I could have disc breaks up front, was wondering if this would work or not? Thanks for any input.
 
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Welcome to FTE!

According to this decoder, that first truck, VIN F60CKC78264, is a '76.
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Engine code C is a 330 2v medium duty FT engine. That means it has the small diameter FE crank, and FE oil pump and oil pump drive.

The second VIN, 1FDMF60HXGVA26509, pops up as a 1986 F600 with a 370 gas engine.
Decoder: https://vincheck.info/check/vehicle-specification.php

Neither of these decoders gives you much, and the VIN doesn't give you much either. I do not have the full decoder ring set, but someone else with one may be by.

So my question would be why mess with the '76 truck (that you thought was '68)? The 370 is "about equal" to a 330 in it's lack of power and thirst. But the later truck has brakes you like. Is there a yellow parking brake **** on the dash? That indicates Lucas Girling brakes. Very good brakes, but expensive to work on.

If you transplant the disc brakes to the older truck, you will have to replace the undoubtedly single circuit brake system and booster with a 2 circuit system to get the right pressure for the discs.

So again, is the newer truck a runner, stopper, driver and equipped right?
 
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Old Sep 18, 2020 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 85e150
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According to this decoder, that first truck, VIN F60CKC78264, is a '76.
vinwiz.com VIN Decoder


Engine code C is a 330 2v medium duty FT engine. That means it has the small diameter FE crank, and FE oil pump and oil pump drive.

The second VIN, 1FDMF60HXGVA26509, pops up as a 1986 F600 with a 370 gas engine.
Decoder: https://vincheck.info/check/vehicle-specification.php

Neither of these decoders gives you much, and the VIN doesn't give you much either. I do not have the full decoder ring set, but someone else with one may be by.

So my question would be why mess with the '76 truck (that you thought was '68)? The 370 is "about equal" to a 330 in it's lack of power and thirst. But the later truck has brakes you like. Is there a yellow parking brake **** on the dash? That indicates Lucas Girling brakes. Very good brakes, but expensive to work on.

If you transplant the disc brakes to the older truck, you will have to replace the undoubtedly single circuit brake system and booster with a 2 circuit system to get the right pressure for the discs.

So again, is the newer truck a runner, stopper, driver and equipped right?
Thank you for the info but the truck isn't a dent side so how could it be a 76'? It does say replacement vin on the badge. I thought maybe I could just use front axle and use f800 master and hydo boost for the braking? Really don't want to deal with air brakes in any way. I live in california so I wanted a pre smog truck.
 
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"Replacement VIN", who knows what that means? You would not "replace" the VIN off a '68 with one from a '76. People swap doors and you end up with the wrong warranty plate, which has the VIN and all the other codes.

What is the VIN on the title of the "'68"?

Post pictures if you can.

Swapping brake parts around can be done. You think you have air brakes on the " '68"? Compressor on the motor, cans at each wheel, tanks under the truck? Unusual for an F600.

 
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Old Sep 18, 2020 | 04:39 PM
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I'm only assuming its a '68 judging by the bullet sides. It has a pto dump bed with a compressor on the motor so it assists the brakes and has a air latch on the gate. Its a lost title deal and I haven't tried to register it yet. Just starting a slow rebuild on the thing. I will post pictures soon once I figure it out. Also are the '86 f600 six lug rims any good? Or should I source out military rims? The '68 has a two speed eaton rear end and what looks like a np 435 with drive line e brake. Even has a big air gauge in the dash that works, but rest of truck needs a lot of TLC. Thanks.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2020 | 04:49 PM
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Are the '86 rims tubeless? If so, good. If not, do they have a split ring around them on one side? If so, ok.

Widowmaker rims should not have made it on to an '86 as OEM afaik.

With no title be careful about spending money until you have that sorted out.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2020 | 06:13 PM
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Changed my mind on the 1986 but I did pick up another f600 bullet side must be my lucky week. If some could decode this vin as its way more complete and different than the '68.
F61DRJ83226
194 M F612 4 8 2 (E3C)?
23000 164 3800 71
 
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A 1971 with engine code D which is the 330 2v Heavy Duty FT engine. Big crank snout, all the other FT features.

23000 GVWR. I don't have the other info.

Always a risk of widow maker wheels on these.

 
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Thank you I really appreciate it. It has 22.5 rims already on it so that is why I want it and for extra parts trying to make one good rig. I'm just trying to get things together and get one registered before I spend any real money on them. Will post some pictures soon once I get them all together.
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That sounds like a winner. I like the HD engine and 22.5 wheels. Tubeless? Good luck sorting it all out!
 
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Hey I was wondering about the braking system on this 1968 f600 it is equipped with on board air. One line runs down to driver side frame to a bendix booster for the brakes. It also has just a single master cylinder on the fire wall. To me it looks like air assist booster and not the typical f600 ones? Is this style worth repairing or should i switch over to the more common style. Sorry if this is confusing just trying to sort out what I have. Also It has a chelsea pto operated by air wondering if there was any easy way to make it manually engage and get ride of the air switch?
 
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Trace the line from the booster back to the engine compartment. I think you will find it is connected to the intake manifold.

What you describe is typical of that size truck from all makers. A frame mounted hydro-vac booster, and a single pot master on the firewall.

An air operated "pto" would not be a PTO. You may have an air shifted PTO. Is it mounted down on the side of the transmission?

Post some pictures after you trace those lines.
 
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Old Sep 20, 2020 | 04:48 PM
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Trying to post some pics of the brakes and the dump truck.





 
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Old Sep 20, 2020 | 04:56 PM
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Sorry the pto switch is air operated, would like to change it some how. I did trace line from booster back to the air compressor. I'm picking up a '71 soon and probably a '66 so I will have three f600 to hopefully make one good truck. Here is '71 vin and the pto off of the '68. Thanks for all the info.


 
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OK then, looks like air over hydraulic. Do the brakes work? Air over hydraulic was seen in a lot of military stuff, but otherwise, afaik, seen as kind of oddball.

Last I checked, some states require you to test for air brakes if you have air over hydraulics. Even though the rest of the system is the same as regular juice brakes. You could swap to a vacuum hydro-vac with a little rework. The rest of the brakes need to be gone through anyway, regardless of boost source.

As to the air shifter for the PTO, I don't see it, I just see the hydraulic pump directly attached to the PTO. Not a bad setup as it eliminates a driveshaft which can be a pita.
 
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