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Old Aug 16, 2020 | 06:03 PM
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94 F150 4x4 fresh rebuilt 302 bored 30 over. Has AFR 185 heads with 2.02 valves, Trick Flow stage 1 cam, 1.72 rockers. Stock EFI intake/fuel injection system. EGR has been deleted. Truck does not consistently want to idle. When it does idle, every couple of seconds the engine sounds different by listening to the exhaust. It will sound descent then all of of sudden it will rev, then it will drop the rpms and seem like its misfiring, then back to sounding descent, the drop the rpms so low it almost or does die. I can get it to idle better when I disconnect the SPOUT connector but it idles much higher. I have tried the timing at 10 degrees all the way to 16 degrees. While driving the truck there is no engine light coming on. This is my 1st time with efi. What would make this thing idle so wierd and how do I fix it lol. Thanks in advance for any help.
 
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Old Aug 16, 2020 | 06:35 PM
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Your other thread mentions 36# injectors, are you using those? If so, pull them and put in stock ones for a start. If you arent tuning yet they will be your best bet for idle and drivability.
I have seen guys try to get by on the factory tune by trying to trick the maf and run a colder t stat to richen things up and bigger injectors It ended up washing down the cylinders and diluting the oil... truck burned to the ground by the way.


2 you are probably beyond the factory limits for the truck computer with your upgrades, possibly going to a 351 maf computer will crutch this issue for a bit. But, you really need a tuner or to go to a PimPx system for complete custom tuning.
 
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Old Aug 16, 2020 | 06:45 PM
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Your other thread mentions 36# injectors, are you using those? If so, pull them and put in stock ones for a start. If you arent tuning yet they will be your best bet for idle and drivability.
I have seen guys try to get by on the factory tune by trying to trick the maf and run a colder t stat to richen things up and bigger injectors It ended up washing down the cylinders and diluting the oil... truck burned to the ground by the way.


2 you are probably beyond the factory limits for the truck computer with your upgrades, possibly going to a 351 maf computer will crutch this issue for a bit. But, you really need a tuner or to go to a PimPx system for complete custom tuning.
I am currently using the stock injectors, had planned on upgrading intake with the 36# but things got a little tight so just so I could get the truck driving again I threw the stock intake on it. I don't really want to put a band aid on the problem because I eventually will have an aftermarket intake with the 36# injectors. So I guess my next option is to tune the computer. I have looked into it a little and keep running into the Quarter Horse and Tweecer. Now you have mentioned PimPx...have you used any, what do you or others prefer. Im not too shabby on a computer and learn new programs fairly well, though I'm sure there will be a learning curve with all of them.
 
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Old Aug 16, 2020 | 06:46 PM
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Speed Density or Mass Air, Trick Flow recommends Mass Air and a tune.with that cam, and power band is right where stock ECM gives up with 19lb injectors.
 
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Old Aug 16, 2020 | 06:51 PM
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5.0s didnt get MAF until 95 so that could be one cause
 
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Old Aug 16, 2020 | 06:54 PM
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Your other thread also mentioned it's a 347 so I suggested the 351 computer because it's closer to displacement calibration.

Here is the PImPx stuff. With the auto trans you'll need the trans controller too.
https://www.stinger-performance.com/...ine-management
 
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Old Aug 16, 2020 | 07:05 PM
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5.0s didnt get MAF until 95
94 f150 and bronco 4.9L, 5.0L got Mass Air
95 f150 and bronco 5.8L got Mass Air
 
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Old Aug 16, 2020 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by NickD2021
5.0s didnt get MAF until 95 so that could be one cause
I'm pretty sure my 94 is MAF, please correct me if I am wrong. This picture is the same setup of my intake filter/tube.

 
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Old Aug 16, 2020 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Mudsport96
Your other thread also mentioned it's a 347 so I suggested the 351 computer because it's closer to displacement calibration.

Here is the PImPx stuff. With the auto trans you'll need the trans controller too.
https://www.stinger-performance.com/...ine-management
yeah, another thing that changed, saving the 347 kit for a later build...think we're gonna put it in a Ranger lol.
 
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yes, yours is MAF
 
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Old Aug 16, 2020 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Mudsport96
Your other thread also mentioned it's a 347 so I suggested the 351 computer because it's closer to displacement calibration.

Here is the PImPx stuff. With the auto trans you'll need the trans controller too.
https://www.stinger-performance.com/...ine-management
If I have to get a trans controller with PimPx, then I will convert it to carb and just buy a quick shift trans controller or go with one of the other tuners mentioned.
 
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what trans do you have? Pimpxshift, if you have E40D, 4R70W, AOD-E, all in one.
 
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Old Aug 16, 2020 | 07:30 PM
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what trans do you have? Pimpxshift, if you have E40D, 4R70W, AOD-E, all in one.
I have the E4OD 4x4
 
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check your TPS closed volts (0.6-0.99) if it is in that range leave it, get truck to operating temp, turn off, remove negative battery cable for 10-15 minutes, maybe IAC will re-learn, idle with the new cam. If your going with 36#, later on, you will need a tune, thats 400-500hp range


 
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Old Aug 16, 2020 | 09:02 PM
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What's the vacuum at Idle? If it's at least 10-12 inches it should idle smooth, even if high.

How good of shape is the IAC, new, clean, etc? Have you run the codes?

Have you checked fuel pressure with vac line on , then off & plugged?

My 5.8 runs pretty good with probably the 94 5.0 computer that's in your truck, idles fine.
 
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