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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 08:20 PM
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Flathead Machine Shop

Anyone out there know of any machine shops in the Myrtle Beach, SC area that domachine work on Flatheads ? I live like 4 blocks away from Jordan Performance in Conway SC, they have done machine work for me before, but they said their machine can't do valve seats on a Flathead ????? so I have to find another shop. Any help appreciated.
 
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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 09:11 PM
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........... but they said their machine can't do valve seats on a Flathead ?????
Huh? What kind of whizz-bang machine is that? Don't they use different cut stones on a mandrel anymore?
 
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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 10:00 PM
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Huh? What kind of whizz-bang machine is that? Don't they use different cut stones on a mandrel anymore?
Very different from an OHV setup most shops have. See here:

Larry, it's a good idea to contact the local Early Ford V8 Club to see what their experiences are.

 
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Old Jul 14, 2020 | 06:30 AM
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Shop can't do seats ? Flatheads are different than overheads? So I need to know what
I'm missing here. What you do need for all Ford V8's is the mandrel. My mind says 'if
they are a machine shop, they either should have machined one or buy one on ebay
for 10 bucks or so. sam
 
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Old Jul 14, 2020 | 07:17 AM
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Grinding seats or cutting for hard seats? My friend has been building flatheads for along time and has a machine setup just for cutting the seat pockets for hard seats. Its much much quicker that cutting each seat manually by hand.
in Utah though so not very close to you. Although he does ship.
 
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Old Jul 14, 2020 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by big job
Shop can't do seats ? Flatheads are different than overheads? So I need to know what
I'm missing here. What you do need for all Ford V8's is the mandrel. My mind says 'if
they are a machine shop, they either should have machined one or buy one on ebay
for 10 bucks or so. sam
Mechanic at the shop said they have no way to cut and install new seats. I'm just putting it out there, that's what he told me. I have had Flathead valve jobs before, from this shop, but have not had seats replaced. That's where I'm at right now.
 
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Old Jul 14, 2020 | 01:40 PM
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Does your block have hard seats already? Or need them cut? If your just replacing a seat you can buy slightly oversized seats and install without cutting i believe.

Or buy a cutter and a guide and do them yourself.
not sure how economical that would be though?
 
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Old Jul 14, 2020 | 04:36 PM
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Does your block have hard seats already? Or need them cut? If your just replacing a seat you can buy slightly oversized seats and install without cutting i believe.

Or buy a cutter and a guide and do them yourself.
not sure how economical that would be though?
I want to install new valve seats with bigger valves. Need old seats removed and block cut for bigger seats, seats are original and pitted.
 
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Old Jul 14, 2020 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ALBUQ F-1
Very different from an OHV setup most shops have. See here: https://youtu.be/QDEJ3coQa14
It's not that different at all. The only difference I see is is the valve guide pilot, and a company that doesn't want to invest in one. I was expecting to see something that Obi-Wan Kenobi built. That looks like the venerable Sioux machine that I have used countless times on FH's and OHV's.

Forgive me, I'm old and crotchety.
 
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Old Jul 14, 2020 | 10:01 PM
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Id bet most shops that have been around at least 20 25 years have the tools to do it. They likely just dont want to. Its probably running the hand drill manually for 16 cuts. Alot of time involved. When they could just build sbc engines cheaper and quicker. Grinding the seats is one thing. But cutting them is another.
Ive seen that happen here locally.
 
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Unless done in conjunction with a thorough porting job, I wouldn't expect a lot of benefit from oversize valves. That's also a thin area of the block, see below.


 
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Originally Posted by Larryjr03
I want to install new valve seats with bigger valves. Need old seats removed and block cut for bigger seats, seats are original and pitted.
Oh I may have misread the post. I thought is was simply grinding seats. This now will
be; a milling machine and a boring head. Last one I did was a 1923 Model T which do
not have seats - bored the block put seats in the freezer over night and tapped them in.
Not a hard job at all.. Old saying "a machinist is a problem solver"
 
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Old Jul 15, 2020 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ALBUQ F-1
Unless done in conjunction with a thorough porting job, I wouldn't expect a lot of benefit from oversize valves. That's also a thin area of the block, see below.

Yes, I will be doing a mild port job myself in the valve pocket area. I know it's thin in that area, but the valves I'm using are only .010" larger than stock, that's minimal. I' m not putting 2 .02s in her ! Very cool cutaway picture !! Still don't understad WHY my local machine shop said they can't do it !?!?! Still looking. Thank you.
 
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I helped a friend rebuild an 8BA for his F-2 in another friend's shop. The block had two bad seats from corrosion. My friends \wWelded thick washers to the bad seats, taking care not to weld to the cast iron block material. A slide hammer was screwed into the washers after the weld cooled. The old seats popped out, new seats pressed in, and were ground. No special equipment needed. I agree with Ross, larger vales are probably not worth the effort for anything but a very built flathead.
Recommend covering the deck and cylinders to protect from weld splatter, or removing the valve seats prior to any other machine work.
 
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Old Jul 16, 2020 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Mixer man
It's not that different at all. The only difference I see is is the valve guide pilot, and a company that doesn't want to invest in one. I was expecting to see something that Obi-Wan Kenobi built. That looks like the venerable Sioux machine that I have used countless times on FH's and OHV's.

Forgive me, I'm old and crotchety.
You're missing the whole story hear Partner. REPLACING Valve Seats, NOT just grinding them aka Valve Job. My shop has done a valve job for me before, I'm looking to have oversize valves (seats) installed, and yes, the procedure is ALOT different on a Flathead vs. OHV motor.
 
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