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Old Apr 21, 2020 | 12:17 AM
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So I have a 1966 f100 and I have the granny geared 4 speed that I believe is a c4? I was just wondering what are some options I would have putting in maybe a higher geared 5 speed ... let me know thanks !
 
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Old Apr 21, 2020 | 12:30 AM
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The C4 was a 3 speed automatic.

Your trans is probably a Borg Warner T18 or a New Process NP435.

What engine do you have? What rear axle ratio?
 
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Old Apr 21, 2020 | 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by 85e150
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The C4 was a 3 speed automatic.

Your trans is probably a Borg Warner T18 or a New Process NP435.

What engine do you have? What rear axle ratio?
4 speeds: Borg-Warner T-18 - Reverse is up - towards the dash // New Process 435 = Reverse is down - towards the seat.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2020 | 02:52 AM
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Nv4500: cost about $4500
 
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Old Apr 21, 2020 | 03:33 AM
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I wanted to swap my NP435 for a 5 speed until I saw how much work and money it takes. You’ll never make back the money saved in gas mileage. Swapped to taller rear gears but other than that I just cruise it as 60 on the freeway like they did in the good ol days
 
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Old Apr 21, 2020 | 03:59 AM
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Things like this are not about $$$$. More about need. Look at all those CV swaps. T&M is not the issue.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2020 | 08:52 AM
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I priced out a trans swap to a five speed and like Christmas said, right around $4500. I still may go that route next year, but in mean time I swapped gears from the 4:10 to 3:54 and it’s a pleasure to drive.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2020 | 09:05 AM
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I have a 95 ZF S5-42 behind my 300. It was a combo that dad put together when he was sourcing parts for the truck. It has a granny first gear, but will run 75-80 down the highway by the time you hit 5th. I'm not sure what gears are in the rear end.
 
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So I have a 1966 f100 and I have the granny geared 4 speed that I believe is a c4? I was just wondering what are some options I would have putting in maybe a higher geared 5 speed ... let me know thanks !
I must have the NP then because my reverse is down ... I have a 390 with a 1973 3/4 rear end ... I wouldn’t be interested in swapping but going about 55 60 has it running at pretty high rpm and one more gear would be nice
 
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[QUOTE=Vandy23;19239401]I priced out a trans swap to a five speed and like Christmas said, right around $4500. I still may go that route next year, but in mean time I swapped gears from the 4:10 to 3:54 and it’s a pleasure to drive.[/QUOTE/)
I have a fairly hot 352 in my 65 F100. Going through a 3.03, three on the tree with 3.50-1 out back, spinning 31x10.5x15 tires. I have a 325-1 pumpkin I could swap in, and another that I think is like 3.0-1. what do you think about the 325, still enough grunt to get it going, but drop the rpm significantly on the freeway? Would 3.0-1 be okay? I know the 398-1 is out the window!
I commute in SoCal and to not be an obstacle I'm running around 3300 rpm on the highway.
 
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Originally Posted by Sam Winn
I must have the NP then because my reverse is down ... I have a 390 with a 1973 3/4 rear end ... I wouldn’t be interested in swapping but going about 55 60 has it running at pretty high rpm and one more gear would be nice
I was afraid of that. With the FE motor, changing to an OD trans becomes more expensive. No Ford issued OD trans will bolt up*. Expensive adaptors ($1200+) are needed. The NV4500, as mentioned above, easily turns into a $4500 job.

You might save gas, but you won't save money.

Since you have a 3/4 axle, I assume a Dana 60, a gear change would be less money than the transmission.

Or the old taller tires trick.

*There is a 4 speed OD from the '70s-'80s. Geared like a 3 speed, big gap 2nd to 3rd and not a heavy duty transmission. Some here have run the iron cased version behind an FE.
 
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Originally Posted by Thunderkiss1965
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I have a fairly hot 352 in my 65 F100. Going through a 3.03, three on the tree with 3.50-1 out back, spinning 31x10.5x15 tires. I have a 325-1 pumpkin I could swap in, and another that I think is like 3.0-1. what do you think about the 325, still enough grunt to get it going, but drop the rpm significantly on the freeway? Would 3.0-1 be okay? I know the 398-1 is out the window!
I commute in SoCal and to not be an obstacle I'm running around 3300 rpm on the highway.
1:1 high gear, 3.50 axle, 30" diameter tires, 3300 rpm is 84 MPH. (70 = 2744, or roughly 26mph/1000)

Change to 3.25 you would run 91 MPH at 3300. (70 = 2548, or roughly 27mph/1000rpm)

Change to 3.0, 98 MPH at 3300. (70 = 2352, or roughly 30mph/1000rpm)

So you are either driving too fast, or your tach or speedo is wrong.

If you have a good clutch and a deft foot, you can run the 3.0s with ease.
 
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