G'Day Fellas,

A mate of mine had for some time a Bully Dog 6 Pos Chip in his truck. The problem was that we never knew what tunes were on it.
I tried contacting Bully Dog with the Chips Part and Serial numbers but they could not help me identify what tunes were on it.
It was in the truck when he bought it 3rd Hand. The PO had no idea and the original owner cannot be traced.
So we decided to put in a chip with tunes suited to his truck use and to know what was on the 1 to 6 Positions. He tows a heavy 5th Wheeler.
I have the Hydra with 1023 Diesel Tunes. He felt more comfortable with a 6 Pos Click Switch. So we went for the Edge Revolver with the same 1023 Diesel Tunes as on my Hydra.

We took a guess that #1 on the Bully may be Stock and drove it around for a while in that position? Disconnected the battery, pulled the Bully and fitted the Revolver.
Reconnected the battery and she fired up no dramas. However very soon the check engine light came on.
Shut her down pulled the codes and Code P1000 ( OBD11 Monitor Testing Not Complete) showed.
I understand that P1000 is not actually a 'Fault Code' but is really saying that the reset cycle of the PCM was not completed.
I understand that this code can show after disconnecting the battery. It can also be cleared by momentarily disconnecting the battery and reconnecting.
We have done all this and have now driven the the truck for around 100+ Km. I know and have a convoluted and complex driving habits procedure to go through to re-teach (learn) the PCM in order to clear the code. He hasn't done that as it is a pain to do where he lives. But has decided to simply keep driving and hope it eventually re-learns and completes a test cycle.
However my question is: By simply pulling the Bully Dog, could some imprint of those tunes be left on the PCM and is conflicting with the Edge Revolver's 1023 Tunes causing this P1000 to continually reappear after repeated clearing? I really would like to know that if you pull a chip does the PCM simply revert to 'STOCK' or is there a special procedure to do this .
Will 200+ Miles of driving under differing conditions/speeds/stop/start eventually self clear this code?
I must add that the truck drives perfectly and the 1023 Tunes are operating all as expected. Its just that that annoying CE Light comes on and the only code is P1000.
I'm also trying to help my mate over the phone as he is in Queensland and I'm in South Australia 2,000+ Km apart.

I've now asked him to pull the chip and drive around in stock to see if the code shows up.

Cheers and Beers,
Reg

 

I can tell you're used to working on newer vehicles that have "brains" and need to learn. These trucks are not like that. If you pull the tuner there is nothing residual left in the pcm and it will resort back to stock. There is also a good possibility that whatever he is using to pull the codes is not compatible with the truck. That could be the reason he's only seeing that code and no others.

 

What are you using to pull codes?

Does truck run better with new chip/tunes??

 

G'day John,
I've really only worked on these 99-03 Trucks and have no experience on more modern higher tech vehicles.
I was under the impression that even these trucks require some form of learning?? Even so getting the P1000 shows the PCM is unable to complete it's Check Sum on start up.
Once started you can clear the codes and you can drive as long as you want and as long as you don't shut her down the code will not appear nor will the CE light. Shut her down and restart and the code and CE light comes on.
The procedure I referred to is as far as I know the procedure to re-learn and get rid of this P1000 Code on our trucks:The code will hang around because a scanner has not been able to clear all the codes after working on the truck. Disconnecting batteries, playing with the PCM, changing sensors etc etc.

After driving the truck for 200 plus miles the code will normally clear itself because it has done all the re-learning of shifts, monitors sensors etc. If you don’t want to wait that long there is a procedure but it’s a pain to do.

Procedure to Clear Code P1000.

1. Connect Scan Tool – Cycle Key on-Key Off-Key On

2. Check Codes with scanner – Start truck without turning ignition off

3. Let truck Idle for around 15 to 20 seconds and drive off at 60kph until truck reaches normal operating temp.

4. Continue cruising at 60kph for up to 4 mins

5. Increase cruising speed to 70 to 100kph for 10 mins

6. Drive in stop go traffic (40 to 70kph) for 10 mins

7. Stop truck. Then accelerate to 70kph at 50 to 70% throttle. Do this 3 times

8. Stop truck. Idle in Neutral for 2 mins

9. Accelerate to 80kph for 15 secs

10. Stop then accelerate to 100kph and then decelerate 60kph. Do this 3 times

11. This should clear the code. If not then repeat process after truck has sat for around 8 hours or overnight.
Please correct me if I'm misinformed. It would be nice to know that this procedure is indeed for our trucks or not.

Cheers & Beers,
Reg

 

G'day Jason,
I'm not with the bloke with the truck having these issues, he is about 2,000 mile away. I'm trying to help him over the phone/email/text ..etc.
He used to live here where I am and I did a lot of work on his truck over the years, but he move to warmer climate.

Anyway; He only has a little Edge EVO and even with that he is able to pull that code and clear it. While I understand that it will not pull all codes and also not clear all codes it does the job as noted in my reply to John.
I have the full AE and could do better but as explained I'm not there.
He has taken it down to a well known mechanic near him who I believe does a fair bit of work on these trucks. That fella has used his workshop scanner to pull codes and clear them but has the same results.

When the truck is running with the new 1023 Tunes on the Edge Revolver it runs beautifully. Shifts good on all 6 tunes gets up and launches on the Street Shredder tune. He is very impressed and happy with the tunes.

Cheers & Beers,
Reg

 

I’m not sure P1000 sets SES light?

The Edge is a weak scan tool. It ‘usually’ pulls codes that set SES light, but not necessarily. I feel like there are other codes present.

Id like to run KOEO, KOER, etc and try to flush out the code triggering the light.

Does the SES go away if you remove the chip? There have been a number of reports of issues with that tuning. (Everybody who goes from stock to some kind of tuning ‘likes it’. Then when they get some good tuning, they can love it!)

 

G'day Jason,

Ok, he got his truck back home from the mechanic's workshop a couple of days ago with nothing solved.
So yesterday I told him to pull the Edge Revolver Chip, clear the codes and start the truck in stock.
Well, no P1000 Code showed (it normally show in about 3 seconds) and no SES Light came on.
Took it for a run and no issues.
Next I asked him to put the Bully Dog back in and do the same routine.
Well, no P1000 Code showed nor did the SES light come on.
Next I got him to pull the Bully Dog and put the Revolver back in.
Well, with the Edge Revolver back in up comes P1000 immediately followed by the SES Light.
Next I got him to pull the Revolver out again and return PCM to stock.
Start truck and again in stock, no P1000 and no SES light.

So at this point, it appears that there is a conflict with the Edge Revolver with the 1023 Diesel Tunes on it???

So I've sent a message to 1023 Diesel explaining the issues. Be interesting what they will come back with.
My mate with the truck is going to do the same via Clay at RiffRaff.

Cheers & Beers,
Reg

 

I apologize for barging in, but you sound like you may have some insight on my problem also.
I had a Ford dealer install a Ford re-man IDM120 into a 99 F-250 7.3
I asked ahead of time if the mechanic was familiar with working with chips. “Of course, and the unit is plug &play” (I believe the Banks module should have been pulled but it wasn’t) Now the truck runs completely to stock performance and very sub par without the chip. I tried disconnecting the battery and the IDM and reconnecting without the chip with the same results. The Module had been sent back to banks and returned with a slight bump up in HP with no change in performance. I am at a loss for repair

 

Swapping IDM would have no affect on anything else.

However, if your banks thing is a programmer (uses OBD2 port) - then the dealer could have flashed your PCM and you would have lost your banks program/tune.

 

I'm wondering by your description if in fact the chip isn't damaged internally. I suppose it could be due to a conflict with in the tuning, but most of these guys are very good at what they do.

 

Well I've had correspondence with Dusty at 1023 Diesel. He says that he has come across this issue before but it is rare. This was on the Californian models of our trucks. I guess that is due to the over the top emission requirements??
I don't know what 1023 may come up with as a fix. Maybe we need to send this chip back for checking or he sends another out and we send this one back?
He has been driving around in stock with no chip for a while now. So I've asked him to put the chip back in and see if the issue persists.
I've even suggested he send the chip to me and I'll pull my Hydra and put his Edge Revolver in as we have the same PCM (QHL2).
This is to see if the same thing happens to my truck. If it does, then it could be a dodgy chip.
If it doesn't??

And on it goes.
Cheers & Beers,
Reg

 

Some tuners are better than others. Just because a tuner is ‘popular’ does not mean they are good at what they do.

Good luck.

 

G'day Jason,
That may be so. But I have 1023 Tunes on my Hydra and am very happy with them. Also when my mate drives his truck and ignores the codes and SES the 1023 Tunes are fine and he is happy with them also. So I can say with confidence that 1023 Tunes are good tunning.

Now we have found out more:

My mate Malcolm (Malc) has to date had no luck getting the truck to start up without the P1000 and SES light coming on with the Revolver in. But still has no issues (NO CODES) if left in stock (no chip) or with the Bully Dog chip in.
He's now run it for a week with no chip (in stock).
He put the Revolver back in yesterday and immediately up comes the P1000 and on comes the SES light.
The issue is only on start up. If you clear the codes after start up with engine running the SES light goes out and its all honky dory, and you can continue to drive as much as you like and all is good.
However after you stop and turn off and restart, it all immediately starts all over again (P1000 and SES Light).
However what is now noted is that with no chip in or with the Bully Dog in, NO Codes show up with the exception of PO541 (we removed the air intake heater a long time ago).
But with the Revolver Chip in the P1000 Code and SES light comes plus 3 codes besides the soft code P0541.
They are:
P0683 (Glow Plug Diagnostic Signal Communication Fault/Malfunction. ) Possible causes: Circuit/Connector Failure, Failed GPCM, PCM. Note; This code will throw the SES Light.
P0670 (Glow Plug Control Circuit Malfunction) Possible causes: Circuit/Connector Failure, Failed Glow Plug, Failed GPCM, PCM.
P1636 (Inductive Signature Chip Communication Error). Possible causes
NOTE: These three codes do not show in stock nor with Bully Dog in??
So it appears that P1000 may not indeed throw the SES light but Code P0683 will. So We may have narrowed that down.
P1000 will hang around if all 'Trouble Codes' are not cleared I believe.
It cannot be a failed PCM as it works perfectly.
Is the Glow Plug Control Module the part that is on the Californian Trucks. If so then that is not a failure point as we have Glow Plug Relays.
It leaves the root of this issue may well be a Glow Plug/plugs, Glow Plug connector etc.

Given all this; it is puzzling that the issue only shows with the Edge Revolver Chip inserted.
It it because this chip fiddles with the starting circuit?

Cheers & Beers,
Reg

 

Anyone that goes from stock to not stock tuning thinks it’s good tuning and that the truck runs better. After you’ve tried tunes from a few different tuners you start to learn what you do and don’t like about tuning these trucks. It sounds like your problem tunes are for a California emissions truck. Yes, they have GPCM instead of GP relay.

 

G'day Jason,
Well, I have sent a couple of email to Dusty at 1023 but have not had a response yet to my findings/queries about this situation we have found ourselves in Over here Downunder in Aussie .

So I'm asking anyone with Chip Tuning experience the following:

In light of the trouble codes P0683 and P0670 and their reference to the Glow Plug Control Module (GPCM) Communication Error/Malfunction/Diagnostic Signal Faults etc.
Do the trucks with a GPCM and not the standard Glow Plug Relay, require different designed chips??
If so, is it at all possible that this Edge Revolver Chip we have ended up with over here in Australia, specifically designed for the Californian Trucks with a GPCM.
This issue is only on start up and could it be looking for a GPCM to signal and there is none??
Our trucks have the standard Glow Plug Relays.

Cheers & Beers,
Reg