Super Capacitor Jump Starter?
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Lead Driver
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From: Foothills, CA
Super Capacitor Jump Starter?
Some time back a 6.0 member, Cooper Farm (iirc), built a Capacitor based starting battery (replaced his passenger side with it). Back then I thought it was a unique and promising idea to solve our 6.0's heavy current needs on cold start. But another thing I thought of was if we could piggy-back something like this for temporary use in really cold starts. Then just forgot about it as I went to Odyssey Extreme AGMs... So I was looking around at some Li-Ion jump starters and find that now there are Super Capacitor ones on the market, at reasonable costs.
The capacitor style I think would best suit our needs -- has anybody tried one? Any feedback to share? I'm thinking of getting one and sticking it in the truck to replace the Li-Ion unit I have now. Tempted to even try piggy-backing the current unit to see how it affects voltage for the 1st minute or so, and particularly right at startup...
Input please?
Scott
The capacitor style I think would best suit our needs -- has anybody tried one? Any feedback to share? I'm thinking of getting one and sticking it in the truck to replace the Li-Ion unit I have now. Tempted to even try piggy-backing the current unit to see how it affects voltage for the 1st minute or so, and particularly right at startup...
Input please?
Scott
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This is interesting idea that I was also curious about. Things that came to my mine are:
1. The capacitors must be disconnected after start up, so it doesn't deplete the batteries (especially when shutdown).
2. The capacitors must be recharged before start up, so the batteries are not so depleted during start up.
That comes to complexity of wiring and electronics/mechanical contactors needed to achieve the task.
Furthermore, cost and space are important factors.
Once all of those are resolved, it's a good addition.
I think with the 6.0l working rather well with what it currently has, an improve alternator and batteries with good wiring contacts would be good enough.
If not, just for winter, maybe just manually hook/unhook capacitor bank would work. But I think lithium battery pack is probably better. I hope as battery tech improves, this will soon be a problem of the past.
Although we hear breakthroughs so many times, I hope this is going to be a real one:
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-a9268161.html
1. The capacitors must be disconnected after start up, so it doesn't deplete the batteries (especially when shutdown).
2. The capacitors must be recharged before start up, so the batteries are not so depleted during start up.
That comes to complexity of wiring and electronics/mechanical contactors needed to achieve the task.
Furthermore, cost and space are important factors.
Once all of those are resolved, it's a good addition.
I think with the 6.0l working rather well with what it currently has, an improve alternator and batteries with good wiring contacts would be good enough.
If not, just for winter, maybe just manually hook/unhook capacitor bank would work. But I think lithium battery pack is probably better. I hope as battery tech improves, this will soon be a problem of the past.
Although we hear breakthroughs so many times, I hope this is going to be a real one:
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-a9268161.html
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Lead Driver
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This is interesting idea that I was also curious about. Things that came to my mine are:
1. The capacitors must be disconnected after start up, so it doesn't deplete the batteries (especially when shutdown).
2. The capacitors must be recharged before start up, so the batteries are not so depleted during start up.
That comes to complexity of wiring and electronics/mechanical contactors needed to achieve the task.
Furthermore, cost and space are important factors.
Once all of those are resolved, it's a good addition.
I think with the 6.0l working rather well with what it currently has, an improve alternator and batteries with good wiring contacts would be good enough.
If not, just for winter, maybe just manually hook/unhook capacitor bank would work. But I think lithium battery pack is probably better. I hope as battery tech improves, this will soon be a problem of the past.
Although we hear breakthroughs so many times, I hope this is going to be a real one:
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-a9268161.html
1. The capacitors must be disconnected after start up, so it doesn't deplete the batteries (especially when shutdown).
2. The capacitors must be recharged before start up, so the batteries are not so depleted during start up.
That comes to complexity of wiring and electronics/mechanical contactors needed to achieve the task.
Furthermore, cost and space are important factors.
Once all of those are resolved, it's a good addition.
I think with the 6.0l working rather well with what it currently has, an improve alternator and batteries with good wiring contacts would be good enough.
If not, just for winter, maybe just manually hook/unhook capacitor bank would work. But I think lithium battery pack is probably better. I hope as battery tech improves, this will soon be a problem of the past.
Although we hear breakthroughs so many times, I hope this is going to be a real one:
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-a9268161.html
I'm going to try the Li-Ion piggy back in a few minutes and will report back when I get home a little later...
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Lead Driver
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Easier/cheaper?? I leave my hood open always (rats in building), so hooking up a compact jumper would be an added quick step for me...
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Lead Driver
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Well, not much to go on, I was in a hurry so... Tried running a Torque log file but didn't work. My dongle and torque took longer than usual to connect, so I need to try this again. Truck was last run Friday and no charging since then. Hooked jumper to Pass. side cables and here's what I could see via torque's gauges: I've been having a momentary dip to 10.5V on the FLP voltage, but this time none of the FICM voltages dropped below 11V starting it up. All voltages jumped to 14s within a second or two of starting and glow plugs were still on (that Never happens, even with fully topped off Odysseys). I'm going to try this more times so I get an idea of consistency, and whether or not this helps at all...
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Lead Driver
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^^ what he said^^
Since adding the third battery, I haven't looked back! Ebay for the E350 battery box @$35, mounted under the passenger door on the frame. Cables for $105, 0-gauge and custom made off eBay again and directly to the starter on the positive side with the negative right to the frame and the positive protected by a rubber garden hose from Home Depot. One of the best additions to the truck! I replaced the three batteries just this year, not bad for 4+ years of run time, never saw anything less than 11.5v and I've never had anything close to a no start. I'm still above 47.0v for logic power on the injectors and not really worried yet for FICM voltage. My mileage is still above 20mpg and no injector issues.
How are you doing Scott?
Jack, nice to see your still plugging away!
Since adding the third battery, I haven't looked back! Ebay for the E350 battery box @$35, mounted under the passenger door on the frame. Cables for $105, 0-gauge and custom made off eBay again and directly to the starter on the positive side with the negative right to the frame and the positive protected by a rubber garden hose from Home Depot. One of the best additions to the truck! I replaced the three batteries just this year, not bad for 4+ years of run time, never saw anything less than 11.5v and I've never had anything close to a no start. I'm still above 47.0v for logic power on the injectors and not really worried yet for FICM voltage. My mileage is still above 20mpg and no injector issues.
How are you doing Scott?
Jack, nice to see your still plugging away!
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Lead Driver
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From: Foothills, CA
Hi Randy!!! Great you stop in now and again - hope you are doing fine. Things are relatively good with us as well... If I were to buy a battery box, it would just go in the pile of "parts to be installed on Dan" (which hasn't been dwindling)... 
Scott
Scott
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Well it's not a supre cap bank but I just got this in an email today.
https://www.vehicleservicepros.com/i...994C1473078H5W
https://www.vehicleservicepros.com/i...994C1473078H5W
Scope Wizard
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with an ESM you can eliminate 1 of your batteries... 
still too expensive for me... the Big issue is Balance Boards and it can stay in the circuit.
These things will charge from an almost dead battery and release a Burst of energy that can start your truck and they Charge back up pretty quick.
many of the Big Rigs are using then now, and also Marine Diesel.
still too expensive for me... the Big issue is Balance Boards and it can stay in the circuit.
These things will charge from an almost dead battery and release a Burst of energy that can start your truck and they Charge back up pretty quick.
many of the Big Rigs are using then now, and also Marine Diesel.