Oil Separator for EcoBoost
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To see what is NOT known to 75% of members who have rendered an opinion in this thread. Yes, I counted.
If I understand the 75% correctly, they aren't looking for satisfaction, but rather looking for some proof of a problem that the other 25% are reporting is widespread and will cost many owner lots of money.
The 75% are nearly begging for proof of this issue. This seems to be the opposite of any attempt to hide the issue. Even the "highly regarded FORD TECH" that saw this happen on his own vehicle didn't show a picture of it in the video in post #10. I went digging and found his videos of the actual event he was referring to, and he scoped the head and showed where cylinders 2 and 3 had slightly more carbon on the back of the intake valves than 1 and 4. Then I found:
. . . from several months later where at 02:25 he says "the carbon issue is not an issue" and proceeds to explain the overall picture.
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From: W (BY GOD) V
Please indicate a tech guide where this is documented.
Please indicate a TSB where this is documented.
True, but this doesn't mean that this happens often or ever. It doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. It also doesn't mean that the source of this is PCV gases, it can also be caused by bad valve guides and/or seals.
Actually, they will. In a Car and Driver article published May 2, 2017, Peter Dowding, Ford’s chief engineer of powertrain gasoline systems and his Ford engineering colleague Stephen Russ stress that carbon deposits on tailpipes and intake valves have never been an issue in their DI engines. Here's a link to the article: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a1...ect-injection/
Oh, did anyone bother to check the date on the U-TUBE VIDEO? If no problem, why did FORD go to dueling injectors? Didn't think so.
Valve seals, not likely.
What did you think would be published in magazine article, a complete reveal? How much does FORD pay in a year to advertise in that rag?
Oh, BTW ...
If you are using excessive make-up oil between services, you may have a problem.
Tuned
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I'll take pics tomorrow of my cheap catch can setup on my 17-150 , 5.0 that I put on when it was brand new with less than 10 miles on the clock. I now have under 12k on the odometer.
I cut it into the OEM tube and its been working like a champ. I also bought a second OEM tube on E-Stay for a few dollars and change it out when I have to bring it into the dealer. It takes less than 30 seconds to swap out and I don't have to explain anything to anybody and change it back after I leave the dealership. From a frothy tan color when hot to a full oil color when cooled. I feel better that its not going into my intake. And it definitely catches oil and what not.
I cut it into the OEM tube and its been working like a champ. I also bought a second OEM tube on E-Stay for a few dollars and change it out when I have to bring it into the dealer. It takes less than 30 seconds to swap out and I don't have to explain anything to anybody and change it back after I leave the dealership. From a frothy tan color when hot to a full oil color when cooled. I feel better that its not going into my intake. And it definitely catches oil and what not.
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Just give us some good solid links on reputable sites.
I applaud you trying to be helpful. Unfortunately, you just are not supporting your argument with anything.
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From: W (BY GOD) V
I have a feeling, with the millions of Ford Ecoboosts out there, there should be overwhelming, incontrovertible, and easily accessible proof dripping from the vast servers of the internet.
Just give us some good solid links on reputable sites.
I applaud you trying to be helpful. Unfortunately, you just are not supporting your argument with anything.
Look. I am just trying to bring something to light. If you choose to disbelieve or poo-poo it, that is your right. What you do with your engine is entirely your business. I am not arguing both responding to those that seem to think they are humerous
I do not desire or have the time to lead you by the hand. Supposedly, you are grown. Knowledge is not likely to be found on a message board unless ASE has started to certify MESSAGE BOARD MASTER TECHS.
GOOD NIGHT IRENE!
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That's fine. The horse was dead long before this thread was ever started. It'll pop up again....and again....and again.
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Cargo Master
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From: W (BY GOD) V
Repeat of POST #55 as it seems there is a reading and comprehension disability within this board -
Look. I am just trying to bring something to light. If you choose to disbelieve or poo-poo it, that is your right. What you do with your engine is entirely your business.
I do not desire or have the time to lead you by the hand. Supposedly, you are grown. Knowledge is not likely to be found on a message board unless ASE has started to certify MESSAGE BOARD MASTER TECHS.
GOOD NIGHT IRENE!
Tuned
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From: NJ
I'll take pics tomorrow of my cheap catch can setup on my 17-150 , 5.0 that I put on when it was brand new with less than 10 miles on the clock. I now have under 12k on the odometer.
I cut it into the OEM tube and its been working like a champ. I also bought a second OEM tube on E-Stay for a few dollars and change it out when I have to bring it into the dealer. It takes less than 30 seconds to swap out and I don't have to explain anything to anybody and change it back after I leave the dealership. From a frothy tan color when hot to a full oil color when cooled. I feel better that its not going into my intake. And it definitely catches oil and what not.
I cut it into the OEM tube and its been working like a champ. I also bought a second OEM tube on E-Stay for a few dollars and change it out when I have to bring it into the dealer. It takes less than 30 seconds to swap out and I don't have to explain anything to anybody and change it back after I leave the dealership. From a frothy tan color when hot to a full oil color when cooled. I feel better that its not going into my intake. And it definitely catches oil and what not.
Rich
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To answer the OP, it depends. Good or bad it does separate oil vapor from the crank case and prevent it from going into the intake. Into the intake and past all the sensors, prior to going into the combustion chamber past the valves.
I finally gave in and on a black Friday deal bought a JLT 3.0 passenger side oil separator. (this is where the highest volume of vapor comes from) I get about a table spoon for each 1000 miles driven. How you drive, the terrain and temperature will affect how much you catch in the can.
Does it really need it? Debatable as you have seen. Does it hurt anything? Installed correctly no. The harder you boost or drive the ecoboost the more you will catch in your can.
I finally gave in and on a black Friday deal bought a JLT 3.0 passenger side oil separator. (this is where the highest volume of vapor comes from) I get about a table spoon for each 1000 miles driven. How you drive, the terrain and temperature will affect how much you catch in the can.
Does it really need it? Debatable as you have seen. Does it hurt anything? Installed correctly no. The harder you boost or drive the ecoboost the more you will catch in your can.