Oil Separator for EcoBoost
Fleet Mechanic
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I think of this in the context of having dual injectors, since mine is a 2017. A separator may be more useful in a pre-2nd gen engine...but we’re still lacking threads about issues with them as well.
I’m curious what other things the fumes are going to do, can you elaborate?
Finally, definitely do all your maintenance. That’s not part of this conversation, but I do feel it is prudent. Unless you found in the owners manual where it says to install a catch can at some service interval.
I’m curious what other things the fumes are going to do, can you elaborate?
Finally, definitely do all your maintenance. That’s not part of this conversation, but I do feel it is prudent. Unless you found in the owners manual where it says to install a catch can at some service interval.
Cargo Master
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From: W (BY GOD) V
I think of this in the context of having dual injectors, since mine is a 2017. A separator may be more useful in a pre-2nd gen engine...but we’re still lacking threads about issues with them as well.
I’m curious what other things the fumes are going to do, can you elaborate?
Finally, definitely do all your maintenance. That’s not part of this conversation, but I do feel it is prudent. Unless you found in the owners manual where it says to install a catch can at some service interval.
You need to find your information in TECH GUIDES (ASE -MOTOR - etc.), not on a message board. I doubt that all FORD owners frequent them and most if they experienced the condition would not understand what is actually happening. You need to follow FORD TSB's to understand the problem(s) and FORD's handling of them. FORD's fix for a badly coked head is replacement. After warranty, the owner is on his own. I would think the bad heads would go back to FORD to be reman and used for future warranty repairs.
All of this means little to me but owners need to be informed as to the problem(s). FORD CORPORATE is not going to tell you.
Tuned
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From: Pleasant Grove, Alabama
Nothing said (or on any of the other CC threads) here even comes close to pointing towards a catch can being needed on an F150 other than something to take money from one persons pocket and putting it into anothers. The "makes you feel good" part, not withstanding.
Cargo Master
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From: W (BY GOD) V
Nothing said (or on any of the other CC threads) here even comes close to pointing towards a catch can being needed on an F150 other than something to take money from one persons pocket and putting it into anothers. The "makes you feel good" part, not withstanding.
Have you thought of taking a REMEDIAL READING COURSE?
Did you bother to actually read the TECH?
Fleet Mechanic
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A catch can factory installed would require the engine to be emissions compliance tested and certified again, plus add another feature that would require periodic service, which few would do. FORD isn't going to go that far (so far). Proper maintenance is not going to stop the ingestion of oil and vapors, you will just be ingesting cleaner oil..
You need to find your information in TECH GUIDES (ASE -MOTOR - etc.), not on a message board. I doubt that all FORD owners frequent them and most if they experienced the condition would not understand what is actually happening. You need to follow FORD TSB's to understand the problem(s) and FORD's handling of them. FORD's fix for a badly coked head is replacement. After warranty, the owner is on his own. I would think the bad heads would go back to FORD to be reman and used for future warranty repairs.
All of this means little to me but owners need to be informed as to the problem(s). FORD CORPORATE is not going to tell you.
You need to find your information in TECH GUIDES (ASE -MOTOR - etc.), not on a message board. I doubt that all FORD owners frequent them and most if they experienced the condition would not understand what is actually happening. You need to follow FORD TSB's to understand the problem(s) and FORD's handling of them. FORD's fix for a badly coked head is replacement. After warranty, the owner is on his own. I would think the bad heads would go back to FORD to be reman and used for future warranty repairs.
All of this means little to me but owners need to be informed as to the problem(s). FORD CORPORATE is not going to tell you.
It's all a huge, huge conspiracy!!
Even so, I've seen more threads about new F150 brakes completely failing than I have about this "issue"....so it's probably more likely that your brakes will fail catastrophically than to have carbon buildup issues.
Be careful out there, test your brakes hourly, always have an secondary emergency route planned for each [hopeful] stop.
Cargo Master
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From: W (BY GOD) V
No, it is basically ignorance.
How did brakes get into the exchange? And yes, one always looks for an out while driving. More common sense.
How did brakes get into the exchange? And yes, one always looks for an out while driving. More common sense.
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Tuned
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From: Pleasant Grove, Alabama
Read it all.
Unlike you, I understand it.
Cargo Master
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From: ME
I guess all of these people with coked valves are too embarrassed to post about it because there are no posts about it.
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If you take the 10 milliliters of oil per 2000 miles per the guy from American Truck, you will see that (at least in his case) there is about 40,000 parts of fuel versus 1 part of oil going through the PCV system into the intake. That is a pretty tiny amount of oil, especially when it's further divided into 6 cylinders. I don't think that it would be a big issue unless the engine has become an oil burner. In that case, there are bigger fish to fry.
Cargo Master
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From: W (BY GOD) V
Some of you guys are truly amazing. I just wanted the entire board to be made aware of the problem(s). You guys are trying to hide it. You working for FORD?
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Wow, I missed a lot over the last few days. I'll try to catch up.
To reduce emissions and increase power, with detailed explanation here: https://www.greencarcongress.com/201...0503-f150.html
To reduce emissions and increase power, with detailed explanation here: https://www.greencarcongress.com/201...0503-f150.html
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True, but this doesn't mean that this happens often or ever. It doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. It also doesn't mean that the source of this is PCV gases, it can also be caused by bad valve guides and/or seals.
Actually, they will. In a Car and Driver article published May 2, 2017, Peter Dowding, Ford’s chief engineer of powertrain gasoline systems and his Ford engineering colleague Stephen Russ stress that carbon deposits on tailpipes and intake valves have never been an issue in their DI engines. Here's a link to the article: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a1...ect-injection/
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In the context of this thread, I submit that "ignorance" is claims without overwhelming evidence. The videos have claims of Ecoboost engines having this issue, but include only theory without even one example. One of the videos even includes a first-hand witness to this phenomenon . . . but then the same witness recants this exact claim in a different video several months later.