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Old Dec 30, 2019 | 11:28 AM
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Tremor plow question

Noticing the Tremor option immediately omits the plow prep package, when building via Ford website.. I'm planning on reaching out to Fisher to learn more, however was curious if anyone going with a Tremor package is planning on adding a plow and/or can shed some light on this subject. Thanks!
 
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Old Dec 30, 2019 | 12:46 PM
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Ford does not want.you to add a plow to it. Can you? I am sure but then you may have a warranty issue. On my 350 I thought it was crazy I had to order a plow package just for a stiffer front spring. Or ford may deni warranty. On a one.ton? Anyway it is what it is. Cj
 
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Old Dec 30, 2019 | 04:53 PM
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Sometimes there is a simple explanation.

Plow prep includes different springs.
Tremor includes different springs.

does.not.compute.

Get a tremor, add the high output alternator/dual option, and throw a plow on it.

When the winch option becomes available, that looks like it may interfere with the plow frame.... but absent that, there is nothing.


Ford doesn’t want you to put a plow on a tremor? Nonsense.
 
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Old Dec 30, 2019 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Section179
Sometimes there is a simple explanation.

Plow prep includes different springs.
Tremor includes different springs.

does.not.compute.

Get a tremor, add the high output alternator/dual option, and throw a plow on it.

When the winch option becomes available, that looks like it may interfere with the plow frame.... but absent that, there is nothing.


Ford doesn’t want you to put a plow on a tremor? Nonsense.
I think that the reality is that because the spring rates are different, and the Tremor is not equipped with the "plow spring" rate, it gives Ford an excuse to void a warranty claim on front end components "due to snow plow caused stress". Now this could definitely vary dealer to dealer, but I experienced this with a 2011 F350 that did not have plow prep, but had a 9.5' V-plow (company truck) and had both front wheel bearings fail at 50K. Truck had a 75K warranty and first dealer refused to fix it under warranty, citing lack of plow package on truck voided warranty with plow installed. Our dealer that we've always dealt with stepped up and pushed it through under warranty. I guess what I'm saying is putting a plow on a Tremor is just opening a door to fight for warranty work if anything ever arises. That being said, I agree with 179 - Buy a Tremor and slap a blade on it!
 
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Old Dec 30, 2019 | 05:08 PM
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Thanks guys, much appreciated. I'm not overly concerned with any potential warranty arm wrestling, if needed. Just wasn't sure if I was missing something from a suspension standpoint within the Tremor package.
 
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Old Dec 30, 2019 | 05:32 PM
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I asked on another thread and someone said his tremor gawr was 5200 front springs. I believe that was the 6.7 diesel and that is the stock gawr on a 2019 6.7. The plow springs are 5990.

Just some in-site. Maybe swap to the 2019 snowplow 5990 springs after purchase.
 
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Old Dec 30, 2019 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe T
I asked on another thread and someone said his tremor gawr was 5200 front springs. I believe that was the 6.7 diesel and that is the stock gawr on a 2019 6.7. The plow springs are 5990.

Just some in-site. Maybe swap to the 2019 snowplow 5990 springs after purchase.
It’s still unclear at this point what exactly Ford is doing in the front end to gain height on the tremor. Some have hypothesized higher spring rate, others lower spring rate on a taller spring. Your mention of a lower spring rate seems to support the latter. Still... an Unknown at this point.

I don’t agree that every truck with a plow needs plow springs. A 9.5’ v-blade used commercially? F Yes. An 8’ straight used residentially? Don’t bother.


I’d get the tremor and do jack to the springs, unless you find you’re too close to the bump stops when driving with the plow up.

as the owner of 2 super duties without plow springs and one with... I think you’ll be fine, unless you’re getting a massive plow.


Massive plows used commercially and tremor packaged I don’t expect intersect often.

 
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It’s still unclear at this point what exactly Ford is doing in the front end to gain height on the tremor. Some have hypothesized higher spring rate, others lower spring rate on a taller spring. Your mention of a lower spring rate seems to support the latter. Still... an Unknown at this point.

I don’t agree that every truck with a plow needs plow springs. A 9.5’ v-blade used commercially? F Yes. An 8’ straight used residentially? Don’t bother.


I’d get the tremor and do jack to the springs, unless you find you’re too close to the bump stops when driving with the plow up.

as the owner of 2 super duties without plow springs and one with... I think you’ll be fine, unless you’re getting a massive plow.


Massive plows used commercially and tremor packaged I don’t expect intersect often.
Well said, and again I agree. It seems like nowadays everyone and their brother is running an 8.5 or 9' V-Blade to plow their driveways and those suckers are heavy. So in this new day of running a 1000# XV2 blade you may benefit from the heavier sping rate. Devils advocate. My personal trucks have always had plow package, but that '11 350 didn't and ran a 9.5' V commercially. Doubt the spring rate was the cause of the wheel bearing failure but hey.
 
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Old Dec 30, 2019 | 06:01 PM
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Yeah I want to say I am pretty sure the guy had a 6.7 Tremor and said the spring gawr was 5200.

So with that said I am guessing the springs are taller, not heavier.
 
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Old Dec 30, 2019 | 06:21 PM
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Yeah I want to say I am pretty sure the guy had a 6.7 Tremor and said the spring gawr was 5200.

So with that said I am guessing the springs are taller, not heavier.
Is the GAWR listed on the white sticker the same as the spring rate? I remember him posting what his front GAWR was, and like you said, it was the same as a stock 19 front GAWR.

So far based on what some have posted, the Tremor doesn't really show any lift up front, no more than the 35" tire gives, instead most of the height change seems to be in the rear. The front springs are supposed to be a progressive rate spring.
 
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Old Dec 30, 2019 | 07:11 PM
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if you dont exceed the front gawr on the door sticker it shouldnt matter what you hook on the front. im sure youll have a reserve around 1200lb im guessing
 
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Is the GAWR listed on the white sticker the same as the spring rate? I remember him posting what his front GAWR was, and like you said, it was the same as a stock 19 front GAWR.

So far based on what some have posted, the Tremor doesn't really show any lift up front, no more than the 35" tire gives, instead most of the height change seems to be in the rear. The front springs are supposed to be a progressive rate spring.
Yeah that is the max on the front end their engineers specify. Its probably a handling issue and they want the front to sit at a certain height to match the alignment specs. Its why people with snowplow prep and no plow have issues such as death wobble, Ford thinks you have a plow weighing the front end back down.

It seems on the 2019 its 800lbs per inch. My 5600 gawr springs sit exactly 1/2 inch over the 5200s on the other trucks that I measured at the dealer and I've read the 5990 snow plow springs sit 1 inch higher.

I got the 5600 because this heavy pig truck would be close to over on the front per some axle scale weights I was reading from 5th wheel pullers (I pull a GN but similar scenario).

I dont think it would be hard for Ford to keep the 5200 spring rate and raise the Tremor. Same as a snow plow prep height, same trackbar, maybe changed the caster 1 degree to make it all work. Would raise the truck 1.5 inches from a 2020 and add in the tires and you are there at their magic 2 inches. Lbs per inch would be different though.

The OP may be fine swapping in 2019 snowplow springs. I dont know how the LSD up front would work in the snow though. I dont know how he would want to align it.
 

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Old Dec 30, 2019 | 08:50 PM
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I dont think it would be hard for Ford to keep the 5200 spring rate and raise the Tremor. Same as a snow plow prep height, same trackbar, maybe changed the caster 1 degree to make it all work. Would raise the truck 1.5 inches from a 2020 and add in the tires and you are there at their magic 2 inches. Lbs per inch would be different though.
Nope, wouldn't be hard, but based on measurements posted in other threads, it doesn't sound like that's the case. Those measurements showed very little lift compared to a non Tremor, like a half inch.
 
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Old Dec 30, 2019 | 09:13 PM
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I saw one and it looked pretty tall. From far off.

My 2019 5600 spring truck with 295/65/20s is probably taller.

I’ll throw a front elocker in it some day.... super tremor.

With that said I am not gonna knock the Tremor its a good looking truck with the sport package especially.


What gawr does the stock 2019 6.7 4x4 have?
 
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Old Dec 31, 2019 | 07:27 AM
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The OP may be fine swapping in 2019 snowplow springs. I dont know how the LSD up front would work in the snow though. I dont know how he would want to align it.
You're bringing up an extremely valid point in the LSD, which I have not yet considered. Thank you.
 
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