Diesel 911
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Tuned
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Diesel 911
Now I know this has been discussed before, but I feel that everything I've read before about saying absolutely don't use Diesel 911 is geared towared people who don't understand that its an emergency additive, not an every fill up additive.
Obviously I don't intend to use it on every fill up, and plan to use Optilube Winter, but in the off chance that I still gel up this winter (Happened twice last winter in my 6.0 from a frequented station with me dosing the fuel myself as well), is Diesel 911 safe to use in one off emergencies? If no, what alternatives are there? I'm not really aware of anything that is marketed as curing an already gelled diesel other than 911.
Obviously I don't intend to use it on every fill up, and plan to use Optilube Winter, but in the off chance that I still gel up this winter (Happened twice last winter in my 6.0 from a frequented station with me dosing the fuel myself as well), is Diesel 911 safe to use in one off emergencies? If no, what alternatives are there? I'm not really aware of anything that is marketed as curing an already gelled diesel other than 911.
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Personally, if the additive has alcohol in it, I would not use it with the 6.7. Alcohol does not add lubricity for the HPFP that is needed to prevent destruction of the CP4.2 Bosch pump.
I would use something like Ford/Motorcraft PM-23 additive with each fill up during the winter. At least the PM-23 is approved by Ford for the 6.7.
JMHO.
I would use something like Ford/Motorcraft PM-23 additive with each fill up during the winter. At least the PM-23 is approved by Ford for the 6.7.
JMHO.
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I believe Optilube Winter meets that bill with not containing alcohol, and I plan to dose on every fill up.
But my question remains, in the event of a gel up, What do you do to get back on the road. I'll carry a spare fuel filter set, but that still leaves lines from the frame rail to the HPFP, and the tank itself.
But my question remains, in the event of a gel up, What do you do to get back on the road. I'll carry a spare fuel filter set, but that still leaves lines from the frame rail to the HPFP, and the tank itself.
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I believe Optilube Winter meets that bill with not containing alcohol, and I plan to dose on every fill up.
But my question remains, in the event of a gel up, What do you do to get back on the road. I'll carry a spare fuel filter set, but that still leaves lines from the frame rail to the HPFP, and the tank itself.
But my question remains, in the event of a gel up, What do you do to get back on the road. I'll carry a spare fuel filter set, but that still leaves lines from the frame rail to the HPFP, and the tank itself.
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Tuned
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Do you happen to know the name of any of the other emergency additives? I'd like to look into some of them, and if I have to order a few bottles that won't bother me any. I'd rather just have it on hand and not need it.
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When I lived in the northern U.S. latitudes, I talked to the fuel suppliers and made sure they were selling fuel good for the coldest extreme temperatures. Never had a problem gelling up. Never needed any “winter” additive.
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Thats well and good. Prevention is better than reaction. BUT, once your truck Gels, whether its your fault or otherwise, Saying to yourself "Well I double dosed my fuel" doesn't do a darn thing to get the vehicle un-gelled.
Also note that I'm not referring to 911 as a Winter Additive. That seems to be part of the whole misconception people have about the stuff that Raised this question in the first place. 911 inst meant to be used all the time. Its meant to be added to the tank and fuel filters only after a vehicle is gelled up to get it ungelled and back on the road.
I fully intend to source my fuel from frequented stations and treat it for the conditions. But **** still happens, and in the unlikely Scenario that it does, I want to be prepared to handle it. In the past, that was carrying a bottle of 911 in my truck between October and March.
Hence my question. Is 911 safe for emergency use, or if not, what other products that are intended to UNGEL a gelled diesel (not prevent gelling) are on the market that are safe for a 6.7.
Also note that I'm not referring to 911 as a Winter Additive. That seems to be part of the whole misconception people have about the stuff that Raised this question in the first place. 911 inst meant to be used all the time. Its meant to be added to the tank and fuel filters only after a vehicle is gelled up to get it ungelled and back on the road.
I fully intend to source my fuel from frequented stations and treat it for the conditions. But **** still happens, and in the unlikely Scenario that it does, I want to be prepared to handle it. In the past, that was carrying a bottle of 911 in my truck between October and March.
Hence my question. Is 911 safe for emergency use, or if not, what other products that are intended to UNGEL a gelled diesel (not prevent gelling) are on the market that are safe for a 6.7.
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Thats well and good. Prevention is better than reaction. BUT, once your truck Gels, whether its your fault or otherwise, Saying to yourself "Well I double dosed my fuel" doesn't do a darn thing to get the vehicle un-gelled.
Also note that I'm not referring to 911 as a Winter Additive. That seems to be part of the whole misconception people have about the stuff that Raised this question in the first place. 911 inst meant to be used all the time. Its meant to be added to the tank and fuel filters only after a vehicle is gelled up to get it ungelled and back on the road.
I fully intend to source my fuel from frequented stations and treat it for the conditions. But **** still happens, and in the unlikely Scenario that it does, I want to be prepared to handle it. In the past, that was carrying a bottle of 911 in my truck between October and March.
Hence my question. Is 911 safe for emergency use, or if not, what other products that are intended to UNGEL a gelled diesel (not prevent gelling) are on the market that are safe for a 6.7.
Also note that I'm not referring to 911 as a Winter Additive. That seems to be part of the whole misconception people have about the stuff that Raised this question in the first place. 911 inst meant to be used all the time. Its meant to be added to the tank and fuel filters only after a vehicle is gelled up to get it ungelled and back on the road.
I fully intend to source my fuel from frequented stations and treat it for the conditions. But **** still happens, and in the unlikely Scenario that it does, I want to be prepared to handle it. In the past, that was carrying a bottle of 911 in my truck between October and March.
Hence my question. Is 911 safe for emergency use, or if not, what other products that are intended to UNGEL a gelled diesel (not prevent gelling) are on the market that are safe for a 6.7.
And NO, with the track record of the CP4/4.2 injection pump, no way would I add anything containing alcohol to it. And by the way, I ran diesel engines in trucks and various other oilfield/ trucking equipment all around the Dakotas, Montana, Wyoming, Saskatchewan, Alberta, and Manitoba for all my working career for 49 years and never had a problem by *KNOWING* my fuel suppliers and what kind of fuel they were selling.
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Best thing to do if your truck gels up is to get inside out of the cold then change the filters to get it running again. My neighbor is a hotshot driver and he stopped at a hotel up north for the night one cold winter night and his truck gelled up. He called a cab to take him to a local hardware store where he purchased tarps and one of those propane jobsite heaters. He tarped the entire truck and put that jobsite heater underneath to warm it back up.
I know that bottle of 911 is convenient but is it worth doing possible damage to a 10k+ fuel system?
I know that bottle of 911 is convenient but is it worth doing possible damage to a 10k+ fuel system?
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Best thing to do if your truck gels up is to get inside out of the cold then change the filters to get it running again. My neighbor is a hotshot driver and he stopped at a hotel up north for the night one cold winter night and his truck gelled up. He called a cab to take him to a local hardware store where he purchased tarps and one of those propane jobsite heaters. He tarped the entire truck and put that jobsite heater underneath to warm it back up.
I know that bottle of 911 is convenient but is it worth doing possible damage to a 10k+ fuel system?
I know that bottle of 911 is convenient but is it worth doing possible damage to a 10k+ fuel system?
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This is great, but I was working in North Dakota on a drilling rig in 2010 when the temperature hit -51 without windchill the one day, my poor airdog fuel system with 2 micron filters didn't fair so well and the 911 was the only thing that got it thawed out. I was 80 miles from town and stuck on a dirt road in the middle of nowhere with no cell reception. Granted it was an 06 cummins so it had a CP3, but I'm thankful 911 worked.
I don't have any experience with any thing colder than 0 so I don't have a better answer.
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If I was in those temps I would have either garaged the truck in a heated shelter or leave it running.
I have filled up in Kansas in -1F once In December. That station only had DF 2 in it.. I was deparate so I filled up. It came out like glue. No issues because the truck was up to operating temps.
In those temps the heated fuel helps because of the recirculation.
I have filled up in Kansas in -1F once In December. That station only had DF 2 in it.. I was deparate so I filled up. It came out like glue. No issues because the truck was up to operating temps.
In those temps the heated fuel helps because of the recirculation.
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If I was in those temps I would have either garaged the truck in a heated shelter or leave it running.
I have filled up in Kansas in -1F once In December. That station only had DF 2 in it.. I was deparate so I filled up. It came out like glue. No issues because the truck was up to operating temps.
In those temps the heated fuel helps because of the recirculation.
I have filled up in Kansas in -1F once In December. That station only had DF 2 in it.. I was deparate so I filled up. It came out like glue. No issues because the truck was up to operating temps.
In those temps the heated fuel helps because of the recirculation.