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Hi all, Been trying to figure out how to properly install the shift tower on a 85 t19. Got the forks positioned in the shift collers. I have 1st and 2nd gear only and no reverse.
Read a old post about this very subject but the pictures dont show up.
I think i can figure out 3rd and 4th but dose the reverse shift lever go forward or rearward while dropping the cover?
Also what dose neutral look like from the hole in the shifter?
Hi all, Been trying to figure out how to properly install the shift tower on a 85 t19. Got the forks positioned in the shift collers. I have 1st and 2nd gear only and no reverse.
Read a old post about this very subject but the pictures dont show up.
I think i can figure out 3rd and 4th but dose the reverse shift lever go forward or rearward while dropping the cover?
Also what dose neutral look like from the hole in the shifter?
Thanks for any help with this issue.
When you look down into the shifter hole, the top of all three shift forks should be sitting in line, central across the hole.
When they are, the three notches line up & create a rectangular recess for the shifter tip to sit in.
As the cover goes on the forks stay in place (neutral position), while the collars & reverse lever have to be moved to suit.
Hi Ken,
I worked on it for a bit. Made sure that the gear shif was in 2nd gear. Pulled the cover off found the slott for the reverse lever in the drivers side shift rail. Verified that the shift forks fully engaged with the sliders.
(Front and rear shift shift forks engaged in to the sliders.)
(With the cover fell into place the bolt holes are offset.)
When the cover dropped onto place the cover was off by less then a 1/8th of a inch. The cover went to the passenger side . Equally spaced same distance and direction. I held down the cover with hand and could shift 1st, 2nd, kind of 3rd, kind of 4th and no reverse. Second gate didn't make full contact with the gear. Just in that direction.
(It may have slipped in to neutral. I cant recall but it would appear so.)
This picture was taken in neutral as i believe this is what you explained in your reply. If i understood correctly.
(It may have slipped in to neutral. I cant recall but it would appear so.)
This picture was taken in neutral as i believe this is what you explained in your reply. If i understood correctly.
I'm a little confused about your comment that "it may have slipped into neutral". That's where you want everything (transmission innards and the shift tower) during reassembly. Are you trying to do this in gear?
Your last picture shows the shift tower properly positioned in neutral. Each of the three rails has a rectangular gate opening on top. All three are aligned by side. The shift rails have a special interlock so only one at a time can be shifted out of neutral. That means the rails are all in neutral, as that's the only position when the three gates can be aligned.
Inside the transmission, you've got to move the two collars and the R lever to match the shift tower's neutral position. You may have to unload the drivetrain to be able to move these items.
Is the truck 4WD? If so, chock the wheels, set the parking brake, and shift the transfer case to neutral.
If 2WD, chock the front wheels and make sure the parking brake is off. Jack up either of the rear wheels slightly off the ground. If your rear axle has a limited slip, you'll need both wheels free.
(It may have slipped in to neutral. I cant recall but it would appear so.)
This picture was taken in neutral as i believe this is what you explained in your reply. If i understood correctly.
Hi Jon, yes that's what I was describing. It's pretty hard to know why the lid is offset like that without seeing it firsthand.....the forks can handle some sideways movement without binding; I can't remember about the reverse lever though. Do you have to use force to get the bolt holes to line up?
My wife & I were over in the U.S. last year & must have driven somewhere near to where you are........we stayed two nights at Wallace State Park on our way to Colorado.
I'm a little confused about your comment that "it may have slipped into neutral". That's where you want everything (transmission innards and the shift tower) during reassembly. Are you trying to do this in gear?
Your last picture shows the shift tower properly positioned in neutral. Each of the three rails has a rectangular gate opening on top. All three are aligned by side. The shift rails have a special interlock so only one at a time can be shifted out of neutral. That means the rails are all in neutral, as that's the only position when the three gates can be aligned.
Inside the transmission, you've got to move the two collars and the R lever to match the shift tower's neutral position. You may have to unload the drivetrain to be able to move these items.
Is the truck 4WD? If so, chock the wheels, set the parking brake, and shift the transfer case to neutral.
If 2WD, chock the front wheels and make sure the parking brake is off. Jack up either of the rear wheels slightly off the ground. If your rear axle has a limited slip, you'll need both wheels free.
Hi kr98664,
Sorry for that comment "it may have slipped in to neutral. I had read in a few posts that the transmission should be shifted into 2nd gear prior to removing the shift tower. Why i am still not sure.
I think the reverse lever isnt making to slot in the shift rail. I will check that out today. It might make sense because the tower drops and is offset from the bolt holes. Mite also explain it not shifting into the second gate for 3rd 4th.
Yes it is a 4wd. The rear driveshaft isn't hooked up. I wanted to test it in 2wd without the rear driveshaft in case it stuck in gear. Didn't want a run a way on my hands.
Hi Jon, yes that's what I was describing. It's pretty hard to know why the lid is offset like that without seeing it firsthand.....the forks can handle some sideways movement without binding; I can't remember about the reverse lever though. Do you have to use force to get the bolt holes to line up?
My wife & I were over in the U.S. last year & must have driven somewhere near to where you are........we stayed two nights at Wallace State Park on our way to Colorado.
Hi Ken,
The reverse lever should be facing the rear of the transmission when the cover is installed from what i can tell. It looks like the lever fits into a cut slot in the driver's side shifting rail.
I will be checking on it this afternoon but i think the reverse lever isnt in thst slot.
Small world!! Yes Wallace is just down the road from me. If i would have known would of had you and your family over for a bonfire and dinner.
I'm a little confused about your comment that "it may have slipped into neutral". That's where you want everything (transmission innards and the shift tower) during reassembly. Are you trying to do this in gear?
Your last picture shows the shift tower properly positioned in neutral. Each of the three rails has a rectangular gate opening on top. All three are aligned by side. The shift rails have a special interlock so only one at a time can be shifted out of neutral. That means the rails are all in neutral, as that's the only position when the three gates can be aligned.
Inside the transmission, you've got to move the two collars and the R lever to match the shift tower's neutral position. You may have to unload the drivetrain to be able to move these items.
Is the truck 4WD? If so, chock the wheels, set the parking brake, and shift the transfer case to neutral.
If 2WD, chock the front wheels and make sure the parking brake is off. Jack up either of the rear wheels slightly off the ground. If your rear axle has a limited slip, you'll need both wheels free.
In addition. I frogot to answer your question i am not trying to do this in gear. Neutral . Please disregard the photo comment. "It seems to have slipped in to neutral". It was a sad attempt at dry humor.
I had read in a few posts that the transmission should be shifted into 2nd gear prior to removing the shift tower. Why i am still not sure.
Hmm, never heard of that any transmission, but maybe I am less correct than usual. I've worked on several T-98s and T-18s, which are very similar, but never the T-19. I do remember the R lever was kind of a pain to get aligned, but it's been so long ago and I don't remember the secret.
Maybe the T-19 has to be in 2nd so the shift fork clears the bigger 1-2 Synchro? If so, arrange the collars accordingly inside the transmission, and move the 1-2 shift fork to 2nd. I'd think as long as the shift forks and collars were matched, you should be able to reinstall the cover in any gear.
Just curious, why did you remove the shift cover in the first place? Was the shift lever binding or something? Might be worth making sure the shift tower operates okay all by itself before trying to reinstall it.
Hi Jon, yes that's what I was describing. It's pretty hard to know why the lid is offset like that without seeing it firsthand.....the forks can handle some sideways movement without binding; I can't remember about the reverse lever though. Do you have to use force to get the bolt holes to line up?
My wife & I were over in the U.S. last year & must have driven somewhere near to where you are........we stayed two nights at Wallace State Park on our way to Colorado.
In addition. I frogot to answer your question. I didn't have to force the cover on to the transmission. It fell into place so i thought i mite have it right for a minute. After sliding to cover over less then a 1/8". After bolting down the cover it would only shift to 1st and 2nd gears.
Hmm, never heard of that any transmission, but maybe I am less correct than usual. I've worked on several T-98s and T-18s, which are very similar, but never the T-19. I do remember the R lever was kind of a pain to get aligned, but it's been so long ago and I don't remember the secret.
Maybe the T-19 has to be in 2nd so the shift fork clears the bigger 1-2 Synchro? If so, arrange the collars accordingly inside the transmission, and move the 1-2 shift fork to 2nd. I'd think as long as the shift forks and collars were matched, you should be able to reinstall the cover in any gear.
Just curious, why did you remove the shift cover in the first place? Was the shift lever binding or something? Might be worth making sure the shift tower operates okay all by itself before trying to reinstall it.
It sounds like you have alot of experience compaired to myself. I have never woked on anything but t15 and a sm465 and that was limited.
Oh i am going to check that out. I had it in neutral when i pulled the cover. When the cover was off i could only move one shift collar by hand. I figured it was a leverage issue. Didnt want to force it. So i measured the shift collars distances (gears in case) while the slide/shift collars where both neutral.i verified that the slide/Shift collars where centered in neutral could see all four syronizers on both sides of bpth silder/shift collars.
The reason the cover was off i just rebuilt the transmission. I should of done the on the bench i thought neutral was good enough.
Pulled the cover again to day with the intentions of success or at the very least taking pictures incase my issues could one day help someone else.
Pulled the cover again today.
Neutral 5 1/8" between the outsides of the shift arms Neutral 5 1/8" between the outsides of the shift/sliders tracks. Neutral slot open rectangle front to rear. Reverse Shift rail indent Reverse shift lever Reverse light switch hole in neutral Reverse light switch hole in reverse 1st gear 2nd gear Wont go in to 3rd gear Wont into 4th gear Goes into reverse
Will try to put the cover on in 2nd gear tomorrow. I ran out of daylight today.
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