2020 Diesel numbers are in!!!
#46
09-26-2019, 11:11 PM
Cargo Master
They need to stop worrying about tow ratings and tq. I bought the f450 because I tow heavy but enough is enough. Pretty hard to find a trailer that is rated for the weight these trucks are. Any heavier tow rating and you should be having a heavier unit pulling it. I am more concerned about fuel mileage for my business. The ford is the worst of the big three. I was hoping with good driving habits I could do well but I am plain disappointed in the ford. It burns 20% more
fuel than the dodge pulling the same trailer with the same driver. I even tried dropping my speed down and running in manual mode to avoid downshifting and upshifting earlier which did help but it is hurting my bottom line. Very happy with the capability of the f450. The brakes and front axle are amazing but I think more thought needs to be put to fuel efficiency. I drove a new class 8 truck with a gcvw of 60000lbs and got within 1mpg of my ford at 34000 lbs. The class 8 trucks all compete for best mpg but that seems to be lost in the pickup wars. Makes it hard for business owners like myself who use the pickups everyday for work.
fuel than the dodge pulling the same trailer with the same driver. I even tried dropping my speed down and running in manual mode to avoid downshifting and upshifting earlier which did help but it is hurting my bottom line. Very happy with the capability of the f450. The brakes and front axle are amazing but I think more thought needs to be put to fuel efficiency. I drove a new class 8 truck with a gcvw of 60000lbs and got within 1mpg of my ford at 34000 lbs. The class 8 trucks all compete for best mpg but that seems to be lost in the pickup wars. Makes it hard for business owners like myself who use the pickups everyday for work.
#47
09-27-2019, 04:55 AM
#48
09-27-2019, 05:52 AM
Cargo Master
Mileage tuning comes at great cost to torque, especially with emission laws which now incorporate EGR and DPF “technology”. We can’t have both unless Ford offers two choices of tunes with a switch....which may eventually come..
Today? What sells the best, mileage or power?
Personally, I want power.
Today? What sells the best, mileage or power?
Personally, I want power.
#49
09-27-2019, 06:13 AM
Fleet Mechanic
When we know the truth about de-tuning in lower gears it will be more interesting. I don’t believe the GM’s are regulating torque 1-3 with their new 10 speed. I believe they do start up in second when unloaded.
How Ford ,amazes this monstrous torque in the lower gears and their new 10 speed is my next question.
I love that Ford still brings a variety of engine choices across their model lineup. The 2020 super duty is the king of the hill for satisfying nearly any need a truck owner my have.
Good to see ford still on top in power with the 2020.
How Ford ,amazes this monstrous torque in the lower gears and their new 10 speed is my next question.
I love that Ford still brings a variety of engine choices across their model lineup. The 2020 super duty is the king of the hill for satisfying nearly any need a truck owner my have.
Good to see ford still on top in power with the 2020.
#50
09-27-2019, 06:36 AM
There is another section of road up in N Tex that is about 100 mi long, straight hwy, little traffic, and all downhill. I have driven it pulling my 5th wheel and it will take me into the 12-14 mpg range, soon as I hit I 20 going into Dallas Ft Worth I watch it drop down into the 10's.
Every once in a while we get a MPG thread and guys take pics of AMAZING mpg and that is how they do it. Downhill stretches all over the US.
#51
09-27-2019, 06:43 AM
#53
09-27-2019, 07:37 AM
Cargo Master
As I said, disappointed in 475/1,050 is funny.
You are buying diesel power, not a gas engine....
Horsepower is useless in a diesel. No one buys diesel for high RPM output.
It’s about grunt at low RPM.
Consider the class 8 truck Cummins x15 puts down 2,050 pounds of torque at a “disappointing” 550 horsepower, but can hook to a set of turnpike doubles grossing 140K and tow it at 80 MPH.
#54
09-27-2019, 07:56 AM
#55
09-27-2019, 08:13 AM
More than one way these trucks could be made to better serve considering what they cost that'd I'd gladly prefer over more power.
- better corrosion resistance (todays cars/trucks seem to rust like they did in the 70's)
- lighter weight so they can have a more useful payload rating while staying within their weight class
- better mpg
- better corrosion resistance (todays cars/trucks seem to rust like they did in the 70's)
- lighter weight so they can have a more useful payload rating while staying within their weight class
- better mpg
#57
09-27-2019, 08:35 AM
Mileage tuning comes at great cost to torque, especially with emission laws which now incorporate EGR and DPF “technology”. We can’t have both unless Ford offers two choices of tunes with a switch....which may eventually come..
Today? What sells the best, mileage or power?
Personally, I want power.
Today? What sells the best, mileage or power?
Personally, I want power.
#59
09-27-2019, 10:59 AM
Cross-Country
