Fair points? Or too critical?
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Fair points? Or too critical?
Some folks thought this review of the Ranger was a little too harsh? What do you think? Fair points? Or too critical?
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Overall a well presented review with the following flaws:
Yes, I am fully aware that this basic design is dated and has been on sale in other countries for several years now, hence the expected re-design of MY 2021.
Toyota Taco and the GM mid-size offerings sales have been booming here in Hawaii, it's about time Ford marketing planners got off their "okoles".
About the only thing that would prevented from buying this truck is if Ford were to slap a Ranger badge on a Yugo based pickup (if any did exist) and offered it for sale.
- regarding the keyless entry pad at 3:29, true the stick on pad does look hokey but Ford does not plan to integrate it into the vertical door frame at all, not for MY 2020. Perhaps so for the 2021 re-design, wondering where he got his info from?
- interior design, or any design viewpoint for that matter is purely subjective
- 10 speed transmission is an adaptive strategy design, if he were to drive it more the transmission will learn his driving habits and adjust accordingly. I am reasonably certain that this Ranger is a press release mule from Ford, God knows how many people have driven it, you'd be confused as well.
Yes, I am fully aware that this basic design is dated and has been on sale in other countries for several years now, hence the expected re-design of MY 2021.
Toyota Taco and the GM mid-size offerings sales have been booming here in Hawaii, it's about time Ford marketing planners got off their "okoles".
About the only thing that would prevented from buying this truck is if Ford were to slap a Ranger badge on a Yugo based pickup (if any did exist) and offered it for sale.
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Overall a well presented review with the following flaws:
Yes, I am fully aware that this basic design is dated and has been on sale in other countries for several years now, hence the expected re-design of MY 2021.
Toyota Taco and the GM mid-size offerings sales have been booming here in Hawaii, it's about time Ford marketing planners got off their "okoles".
About the only thing that would prevented from buying this truck is if Ford were to slap a Ranger badge on a Yugo based pickup (if any did exist) and offered it for sale.
- regarding the keyless entry pad at 3:29, true the stick on pad does look hokey but Ford does not plan to integrate it into the vertical door frame at all, not for MY 2020. Perhaps so for the 2021 re-design, wondering where he got his info from?
- interior design, or any design viewpoint for that matter is purely subjective
- 10 speed transmission is an adaptive strategy design, if he were to drive it more the transmission will learn his driving habits and adjust accordingly. I am reasonably certain that this Ranger is a press release mule from Ford, God knows how many people have driven it, you'd be confused as well.
Yes, I am fully aware that this basic design is dated and has been on sale in other countries for several years now, hence the expected re-design of MY 2021.
Toyota Taco and the GM mid-size offerings sales have been booming here in Hawaii, it's about time Ford marketing planners got off their "okoles".
About the only thing that would prevented from buying this truck is if Ford were to slap a Ranger badge on a Yugo based pickup (if any did exist) and offered it for sale.
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Thank-you sir for for the acknowledgment regarding adaptive strategy systems, as you know it affects other vehicle systems as well.
This technology applies to almost all other makes also, such is the design of electronically controlled systems.
I find it appalling that journalists report such false information despite their obvious ignorance, it does not bode well for their level of intelligence
This technology applies to almost all other makes also, such is the design of electronically controlled systems.
I find it appalling that journalists report such false information despite their obvious ignorance, it does not bode well for their level of intelligence
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The Fisher-Price door keypad IS awful. The 2012 Edge interior is also awful. The non-split bench, single folding rear seat is awful. The only engine option being an EcoBust is awful. The front suspension design and the fact that it basically forces you to stick with stock tire size is awful. I agree the truck is too narrow. They do look odd in person. Ford has used adaptive transmissions since at least 2003 so that's nothing new. The instrument cluster is awful. The "new" Ranger is in fact old. The non-damped tailgate in 2019 is awful. Magazine reviews have noticed the choppy ride also. Basically everything he said is spot-on. Not harsh at all. This is just an honest review. I hope Ford execs watch this video and realize that they need to bring a new Ranger ASAP. Constructive criticism is a good thing.
The only thing I'd disagree on is the 5-foot box. That's the industry standard. And no, there is no 8-foot box on any mid-size truck sold in the U.S.
The only thing I'd disagree on is the 5-foot box. That's the industry standard. And no, there is no 8-foot box on any mid-size truck sold in the U.S.
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The Fisher-Price door keypad IS awful. The 2012 Edge interior is also awful. The non-split bench, single folding rear seat is awful. The only engine option being an EcoBust is awful. The front suspension design and the fact that it basically forces you to stick with stock tire size is awful. I agree the truck is too narrow. They do look odd in person. Ford has used adaptive transmissions since at least 2003 so that's nothing new. The instrument cluster is awful. The "new" Ranger is in fact old. The non-damped tailgate in 2019 is awful. Magazine reviews have noticed the choppy ride also. Basically everything he said is spot-on. Not harsh at all. This is just an honest review. I hope Ford execs watch this video and realize that they need to bring a new Ranger ASAP. Constructive criticism is a good thing.
The only thing I'd disagree on is the 5-foot box. That's the industry standard. And no, there is no 8-foot box on any mid-size truck sold in the U.S.
The only thing I'd disagree on is the 5-foot box. That's the industry standard. And no, there is no 8-foot box on any mid-size truck sold in the U.S.
I like the 10 way power seats, rounded wheel wells, and the 4wd selector.
I don't like the back seat design on the 4dr models (too small, doesnt fold down all the way, no split).
Also, I do not like the fact that the 4dr does not have the option to come with a 6ft bed. (deal breaker for alot of people)
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The 8-foot bed reminds me of RPS. “Why can’t we have a 6.0 Power Stroke CCLB Ranger!?!” Me: We have that. It’s called an F250!
The F150 has too many engines right now and I am quite opposed to overlapping both truck lines. Otherwise, blur that line and the Ranger goes away again a la the Dakota, which all but literally was a Ram clone.
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In all fairness, that’s why Ford makes an F150. Stop trying to make the Ranger something it’s not slotted to be.
The F150 has too many engines right now and I am quite opposed to overlapping both truck lines. Otherwise, blur that line and the Ranger goes away again a la the Dakota, which all but literally was a Ram clone.
Just would be nice if they offered it for people who don't want a full size or pay the full size price, but can still haul larger things in the back.
Nothing wrong with appealing to more buyers, like Chevy, GMC, Toyota and even Nissan do.
With the fact that these Rangers can tow 7500 lbs, and have a large payload, makes sense to have more room to use up that payload.
But, apparently you know best for everyone and Ford.
Thanks,
Preston (formerly silverbullet6oh)
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A 20' long garage is pretty standard, although you probably do not get the full 240", more like 230".
If your truck is 223" long, not much room for error.
An F150 Supercab is roughly 230" long.
People pay more for a Ranger than a comparable F150 because they want the smaller size. If you added a 6' bed, you really start to overlap the F150.
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I think the issue is length. The Ranger is already 211" long. Adding another 1' makes it 223" long.
A 20' long garage is pretty standard, although you probably do not get the full 240", more like 230".
If your truck is 223" long, not much room for error.
An F150 Supercab is roughly 230" long.
People pay more for a Ranger than a comparable F150 because they want the smaller size. If you added a 6' bed, you really start to overlap the F150.
A 20' long garage is pretty standard, although you probably do not get the full 240", more like 230".
If your truck is 223" long, not much room for error.
An F150 Supercab is roughly 230" long.
People pay more for a Ranger than a comparable F150 because they want the smaller size. If you added a 6' bed, you really start to overlap the F150.
.Garages can be a limiting factor, but there are also those who don't use them for parking.
As for the pricing, thats really subjective to the market and when you buy.
Also, Chevy, GMC, Toyota and Nissan have proven that there is a market for people who want the longer mid size trucks.
I was just noting in my opinion what I did and didn't like about the Ranger, it was someone else who seemed to get triggered and had to start telling me what I should and shouldn't "be slotting the Ranger to be".
I really want the Ranger to be successful and I hope Ford does well.
Thanks - Preston (formerly silverbullet6oh)
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"Garages are for cars" my dad always said. My bike and the lawn mower might get rusty sitting outside, but the cars always went into the garage.
But I am probably a minority.
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Finally was able to grab some keys today, and take a look inside and out, didn't have time to take it out for a ride though. It was an XLT SCrew, 4X4, the Hot Pepper Red, that looked orange to me.
First thing I noticed, there's not enough room for a 2.7 Egoboost. The interior didn't seem any larger in front than my '04 Ranger has. Seats were nice enough, as was the rest of the interior. The backseats though, looked like enough legroom for an average size 5 yearold, or your dog. The rear window seemed tiny, along with the slider. I did look into the rear seat on a SCab, forget about putting anyone back there.
Actually, the interior would work for someone like myself, either SCrew or SCab. No one is ever in my F150 SCab except my pup and me anyway.
The price, 36,440 MSRP. I didn't think the price was bad either for sticker. I can get Z plan, but didn't ask what that would have been, thinking around 32K or so.
As it is, the 2019 isn't for me, I'd wait for the next rendition, but it is a nice vehicle for someone that doesn't carry around a bunch of people, or have a need to haul a lot of crap.
First thing I noticed, there's not enough room for a 2.7 Egoboost. The interior didn't seem any larger in front than my '04 Ranger has. Seats were nice enough, as was the rest of the interior. The backseats though, looked like enough legroom for an average size 5 yearold, or your dog. The rear window seemed tiny, along with the slider. I did look into the rear seat on a SCab, forget about putting anyone back there.
Actually, the interior would work for someone like myself, either SCrew or SCab. No one is ever in my F150 SCab except my pup and me anyway.
The price, 36,440 MSRP. I didn't think the price was bad either for sticker. I can get Z plan, but didn't ask what that would have been, thinking around 32K or so.
As it is, the 2019 isn't for me, I'd wait for the next rendition, but it is a nice vehicle for someone that doesn't carry around a bunch of people, or have a need to haul a lot of crap.
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If you think that review was rough, check out the brutal honesty in this one!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxcMEl0Ak3c&t=331s
I'm guess Ford won't be sending those guys a Christmas card this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxcMEl0Ak3c&t=331s
I'm guess Ford won't be sending those guys a Christmas card this year.
Also rebates and 0% incentives are kicking in hoping they continue to get better.
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The one engine option being awful is reaching. It is a very good combo, maybe best in class. I have been pleasantly surprised by the 10 speed smoothness more than anything on my truck. While options are always nice, at least the option we have is very competitive and very capable. This Ranger tows very, very well. I like the interior ( XLT 302a) except for the non split rear bench. I don't mind the ride, at all. I think the tailgate damper is an annoyance, but I wouldn't not buy a truck because it has one. If people don't buy a truck because it don't have one, well, I'm at a loss. AS far as the review, it's an opinion. I have seen reviews that the Ranger wins against everyone. I don't buy a truck based on someone else's opinion, I buy it based on mine. I personally could not get past the Gladiator's disproportionate looks of length and low bed and sticker shock to even consider one. I love this truck after 4 months. I can see people wanting a longer bed etc, but I love the proportions of it. Choice is great.