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The power folding mirrors have become a must have for me. I could get by with the power telescoping . I spend a lot of time on narrow forest roads and often need to fold the mirrors into fit between trees. I fold them in in parking lots, also in my garage. It gives me a little more room to walk around the truck.
This is one of those things I didn't know I needed until a got a truck with them. I used to just get out and fold them in when I needed to . now I can do it from the drivers seat on the fly.
Dear Open Sky. You are doing the right things. Looking at all the trucks (brands), sitting in the different trim levels, and asking for advice. I put the STX definition here so that others responding understand what we are talking about. I love my Lariat Value with the leather seats. I was planning my retirement truck and could afford whichever truck I chose, but like you, I wanted to buy it right. I considered XLT, Lariat (value and ultimate), and Platinum. According to a web site, the difference between an XLT and Lariat is: leather trimmed seats, 10 way power seats, B&O 10 speaker audio, 8 inch touch screen, Dual zone climate control, 6 inch chrome angular step bars, power adjustable pedals, Sync 3, reverse sensor system. I know also by purchasing the Lariat, it will allow the purchase of different options that are not available on other lower trim levels. There could be additional items not listed. I wanted my truck to be more than a basic truck but did not need over the top bling or tech. And I decided on the Lariat Value and am very happy. Whichever way you go, it will be a nice truck. Good luck.
There is some misinformation above. STX is an XL truck but with chrome instead of black, carpet instead of rubber, cloth instead of vinyl, and power accessories. XL is manual everything.
There is some misinformation above. STX is an XL truck but with chrome instead of black, carpet instead of rubber, cloth instead of vinyl, and power accessories. XL is manual everything.
Actually you can get the power convenience group, cloth seats, carpet in a non STX XL. They are options either way. STX only adds cruise control, sync, and the chrome and larger tires wheels etc.
Guys. If you go back a few posts, I listed what an STX is. An XL trim with listed inclusions and I listed them. Then add your options that you want and are available. It is a good discussion and wanted all of us to understand that. But I guess some did not read that post. And this member is trying to decide between an STX and a Lariat Value. It can be an agonizing decision in trying to choose what is correct for him. Value, money, options, etc. Also, he has been out to look at the trucks/trims at Ford. And he has built this truck on the web site many times. I was where he was a couple of years ago. I sympathize with him. I hope he gets the right truck for him.
1. Is the order bank for the 19s closed? I assume it is just double checking.
2. Can 5th wheel prep package be installed by the dealer if it did not come equipped from the factory? For example, if there is a truck on the lot and all that's missing is 5th wheel prep, would the dealer agree to install it (at my cost of course) as a condition of the sale?
1. Is the order bank for the 19s closed? I assume it is just double checking.
2. Can 5th wheel prep package be installed by the dealer if it did not come equipped from the factory? For example, if there is a truck on the lot and all that's missing is 5th wheel prep, would the dealer agree to install it (at my cost of course) as a condition of the sale?
Thank you!
I thought it closed in July but there is another member who just ordered within the last week or two. 5th wheel prep can be added after but like with most things, it's going to cost more, especially having the dealer do it. There is a recent thread with some helpful info if you consider doing it yourself.
Guys. If you go back a few posts, I listed what an STX is. An XL trim with listed inclusions and I listed them. Then add your options that you want and are available. It is a good discussion and wanted all of us to understand that. But I guess some did not read that post. And this member is trying to decide between an STX and a Lariat Value. It can be an agonizing decision in trying to choose what is correct for him. Value, money, options, etc. Also, he has been out to look at the trucks/trims at Ford. And he has built this truck on the web site many times. I was where he was a couple of years ago. I sympathize with him. I hope he gets the right truck for him.
I traded a 2014 F-150 XLT CC 4wd, but it had factory leather seats, factory HID headlights and power seats and every other XLT option (some reason you could get lariat options on a XLT that year). I got a 2017 XL STX Fx4 CC, only thing I miss is the factory HID headlights. I do prefer the center console that I had in the 2014 F-150 over the folding seat console in the 250, but you get use to it.
I have an STX longbed, gasser with 4.30's. no regrets on it so far. Originally I though I'd replace the middle seat with the console, but I've come to like the bench seat, has plenty of storage and makes a good arm rest. As for the power extending mirrors, I don't see the need for them, the Ford mirrors are great, you can see fine without extending them. I also added the aftermarket navtv module, so the cameras turn on when you use the turn signal as well. Seems like there are plenty of buyers looking for affordable trucks if you need to sell, i wouldn't worry too much about this as part of your criteria.
Isn't the memory power seats available an the Lariat ? Its not something I need as I am the only one that drives my truck. But for anyone that has multiple people driving the same vehicle this can be helpful .
I think you said you were in CO, so rapid heat is required here. In the past, based on research/reading, it appeared that it was complementary. That is, if I and a person in TX ordered the same exact truck, we'd pay the exact same price and mine would come with the heat. Or, if the TX guy ordered heat on his build, we'd have the same exact trucks delivered to us and the TX guy's MSRP would have been $250 higher. Today, the heat is now just a required option. So, people in the cold weather states have the $250 added automatically. Just an FYI.
I garage my truck, so I'll definitely never use it, but I added the block heater for $90 just to complete the cold-weather build. Something to consider, particularly on STX/XLT builds that may end up as work trucks.
360 cameras are a must have on trucks this large. I use mine all the time. ALL THE TIME. Pressing the camera button gives you forward and overhead views when in drive at low speeds. Brilliant for parking and turning ... do I have enough clearance to make it past that car or do I have to do a 3-point turn? I love, love, love the cameras. I'd think it's even more important with the long bed.
18" wheels + AT tires will increase your payload sticker a bit, I believe. 18" are the perfect size, I think. Unless you go 4" lift with 37"+ tires, the 20" wheels yield too low profile for my tastes and 17" are probably a bit too thick.
My F-350 is my DD and I love it. However, it's not as convenient to maneuver in parking lots. So, an 8' bed is a deal killer for me and my use. However, if I were full-timing with a 5er, then I'd suck it up and get the 8'. It's a better fit for 5ers, never have to worry about pinching, and you have more bed space (the 5er hitch eats up a lot of would-be cargo space).
No. Plenty of people want lower trim levels. Many are contractors and other work-truck folks. So, a snow plow option may be a decent idea for resale. But, in general, an F-350 6.7 STX will sell just fine.
Maybe. What is that $5-8K doing for you? I couldn't tell from your post what the XLT features are that interest you. Most of your post was about resale. Sure, more expensive trucks will command more resale ... because they were more expensive. But, this question is all about value. Are you personally going to get $5-8K of value from XLT? If so, then, yes, it's worth considering.
Lariat will give you better resale over XLT. Platinum will give you better resale over Lariat. Diesel will give you better resale over gas. This is natural because the trucks themselves are more expensive. Expect them all to depreciate at effectively the same rate. More money in today means more money out tomorrow.
Consider every single option. Yes, there are many. But, make a conscious decision on them all. Be surprised by nothing. Navigation? Leather? Console? Roof clearance lights? Mud flaps? Wheel well liners? Skid plates? LED headlamps? Floor mats? And on and on and on and on. With every single option, you should know if it's a must have (won't buy without), nice to have (willing to pay for it, but don't care if it's not there), not interested (prefer not to pay for it, but could be arm-twisted if everything else is there), and must not be (won't take a truck with this option present). Maybe you want to nuance the list a bit more. Either way, you need to have considered and formed an opinion about everything. Otherwise, you're opening yourself up to buyer's remorse, particularly on the lower trim levels.
I won't detail out my desires, because they're personal and specific to me ... and probably don't mean anything to you. E.g., I wouldn't buy a car/truck without leather, which is polar opposite your situation.
Isn't the memory power seats available an the Lariat ? Its not something I need as I am the only one that drives my truck. But for anyone that has multiple people driving the same vehicle this can be helpful .
Yes, is is available on Lariat Value package, and we gave it a strong consideration. The reason that it's not on must have list is because on our current cars we keep the seat in the same position that I selected and my wife is comfortable as well. She changes rearview mirror when she drives my car, and vice versa. The system has worked well for 20+ years.
OTOH, I suspect that if we went with Lariat, she would select and memorize her own seating position, and she might grow to like it. Over time, it could become "must have" for any future vehicle purchase, just like dual zone climate control became must-have almost 20 years ago.
Problem is, again, with Ford there is no way to combine 2 must haves like dual zone climate and cloth seats. She would prefer Silverado in that regard, and I have to admit that truck has the most comfortable seats. What's stopping me going that route, despite huge discounts now on leftover 2019s, is the DEF tank and lack of cameras. I am sure most of you don't care about cameras, but on all test drives Ford seemed easy to maneuver and park because of it. I could not do that with Silverado, even though it had rearview camera and both front and back sensors. On test drives, she would ask me to park it. With Ford, I showed her camera button, and viola she is parking the truck and loves it! Her next question is can we get all these cameras on Silverado? No idea, probably not.
Seems to me Ford with cameras it is, question is which trim will offer best compromise.
Over a year ago, I asked you a question on which truck to buy, and you have been really helpful in your responses here: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...full-time.html We had some health issues we had to deal with, so we postponed the truck purchase till now. Well, the time has come to pull the trigger, and while we decided 100% on the Ford (vs. GM or Ram), we are not sure which trim to buy. So here goes.
We are early retirees living in Colorado, and until the house sells next year, the truck will be our DD and will do lots of short trips (groceries etc.). Next spring/summer after the closing, it’s our full time vehicle towing a 12-14K (fully loaded) 5th wheel trailer all over the country, but mostly here in the western mountains, and mostly on forest roads/BLM land/off grid/state parkes/NPs (you get the idea). I expect roughly equal split between driving empty and pulling a trailer. Never owned any truck before, hence questions that may seem stupid to some of you.
What we do know is that we want diesel SRW F350. Not sure about bed length, can go either way, would prefer 160 WB for off road use, but 176 WB comes with 48G fuel tank and it’s supposedly better for towing. Just let me know if I am making a mistake to even consider going with a short bed.
Here is our main dilemma – which trim level? Wife and I both prefer cloth vs. leather, so we like STX or XLT over Lariat. Lariat is nicer no doubt, and comes with some handy features like console, dual zone climate control, and memory seats, but at a much higher cost and decreased payload capacity. We thought we would go with XLT, but after further research and several test drives, we realized XLT does not offer anything we care about over STX. What we want:
All of that is an option on STX, and none of that comes standard on XLT. About the only thing that would be nicer on XLT for us is driver seat height adjustability, but the way it comes standard on STX fits me well, and wife is fine driving it those few times. She likes passenger cloth seat better than Lariat, so she is perfectly fine with STX.
OTOH, Lariat is supposedly better for resale should we decide to upgrade/change in the future. So I ran some numbers, looked at the deals available now, and visited used truck dealer lots, and came to the following conclusion: these trucks hold their value really well. So well, in fact, that used trucks I see at Carmax and other used lots are priced same or HIGHER than exact same truck new, irregardless of brand or trim level. And they sell so fast the inventory changes almost daily. I have no idea who buys these trucks, but it makes zero sense to me to buy used, especially diesel with all that EPA equipment. For example, 2017 Lariat with value pckg. 30K miles sold at $63K after just 4 days on the lot. 2017 XL with 60K miles sold for $50K.
Either trim I can get new for less with all available incentives. For example, I can get STX for about $47K, Lariat value for about $60K, Lariat ultimate for about $63K (plus or minus, of course). So finally the question for all of you expert truck owners:
1. Long bed or short bed?
2. Is well equipped STX a bad idea (for resale)?
3. Is XLT at additional $5-8K cost worth considering?
4. Is Lariat at additional $10-13K better resale option?
5. Anything else to consider?
Thanks guys! Feel free to ask questions and/or offer suggestions we have not thought about. It will be our biggest vehicle purchase ever, so we don’t want to make a mistake we would regret later.
Ask yourself this, do you like and want LED headlights, if not, stick with a nicely equipped XLT or a base Lariat.
About the memory seats... what I like best about them is that when you pull the key out the seat moves to the rear making it easier to get in and out. I have Lariat value, so I have manual tilt telescopic wheel. I believe on Lariat ultimate you can also move the wheel up and away and the memory function will return it.
About XTS, I started with researching a basic XL... quickly decided the STX gave me things I wanted. Then there were XLTs on the lots which I would have bought had the dealers been willing to deal a bit more aggressively. Then I started to research Ford online ordering. I built a hundred different builds and price ranges. For my own use I never went above Lariats just because the buy in was above my comfort zone for a truck. Ford has done their homework making options exclusive to higher and higher levels of trim so you go farther up market. The perfect example is the LED lighting. Many buyers would buy XLs with LEDs.
But for me the right combo was Lariat Value because I wanted the seats... heated and cooled. And I love them. I did not care about the telescoping mirrors. But guess what?? I use the folding button every single time I park. I wanted higher level audio. Read all the threads about B&O or Sony sucking. But for my use levels and tastes its great.
What I wanted was a nice comfy usable truck I wouldnt be afraid to use. So I deleted carpet. I also wanted higher sleeker running boards. I tried to order the base XL plastic ones but they wouldnt allow that. So I ordered aftermarket. Got exactly what I wanted for hundreds less than factory and installed them myself in 1/2 hour.
So 3500 miles in I am thrilled with Lariat Value as a total package. I got the rubber floor I wanted. I will point out that I still need to install Husky floor mats. The reason being that I have an F-450 at work and the salt water runs to the door sill and then goes underneath into places which can never be effectively rinsed. The floor mats have a channel that runs over the sill so the salt water drains out. I dont care... aluminum or not... it cant be good for salt water to get trapped inside the body.
2019, 6.2/4.30 Lariat Value with the machined cast wheels.
3500 miles. Average fuel economy lifetime 13.6. Average per tank in usual commuting, 14.6. Towing light. 12.5.
Dent in fender at delivery. Repaird
Broken windshield at delivery repaired before delivery.
Dent and scratch in bed at delivery. I let it go because I will be linexing so whatever.
Supplemental Restraint light when wife sits in seat. Repaired under warrantee this past week.
Overall thrilled with the truck so far. Dont wish I did anything different. But still believe these trucks are $10,000.00 too much and we are all nuts for allowing them to screw us over for all this money for a damn truck. But I am getting old and starting to sound like my dad....
My first brand new Peterbilt was a 1988 and I paid $73,000.00 for a non sleeper owner operator specked big horsepower large car with double frame for pulling heavy... and I just paid $57,000.00 out the door for a pickup truck.
My house didnt appreciate that much. My earnings didnt appreciate that much. Only my healthcare costs and taxes did.....
Open Sky. I would copy my window sticker but am not good with computers. When I purchased/ordered my truck, I did a lot of looking like you. I had the time to order my truck and have it arrive during the best sale time for FORD. In Canada, starting in July, they have a sale called employee pricing. You pay the A Plan price which is for employees. My MSRP of my truck was $75,200 CDN. My Employee price was $63,000. I purchased my truck from a local dealer but from the Fleet Manager because my organization purchased thru him, and I purchased on the terms that he sold to them. Which was invoice plus $850 plus $500 dealer fee less any discounts at time of purchase which was in May. That price because of extra incentives at the time, put the truck at $62,000 plus taxes. I beat employee pricing ($63,000) but I had the choice of the price negotiated at time of purchase or after the new incentives at time of arrival. My truck took about 2 months to be built and ship to Vancouver BC. BTW, I was able to score a $750 coupon at the local car show where FORD had a big display. As to what I ordered it will be different for you but I ordered the F350 CCLB SRW 6.2 L engine (3.73 axle) as it was what I wanted and needed. I ordered the long bed because I am towing a fifth wheel and a longer bed is better although not required. I did not need the crew cab but thought it was a better truck so ended up with a very big truck but except for city parking, it works great. As this was a retirement truck, I wanted a nice truck and looked at the XLT, Lariat, and Platinum trim levels and had to delete the King Ranch early as I hated the look. The STX was not available to me in 2017 but would likely not have considered it anyways. I look for functional use in the options, and value for money. Early on while I did look at the Platinum, It was too expensive for what you got extra and quickly discounted it. So it really came down to XLT and Lariat. I built both of them many times but because I wanted more than XLT offered, I chose the Lariat. There was another choice to make, Value vs Ultimate. In 2017, the Ultimate included the moonroof and I did not want it at any cost. That left the Value option as my choice. I do love the leather seats which have the Air cooled and heated seats, and I find the seat itself comfortable. The Lariat also comes with the power windows and I love them. I can adjust them from my seat and always do before the day towing. Also they can be pulled in when parked. I will list the options I chose and comment on a few.
All weather floor mats
11,500 lb option
Navigation - the price for the Ford navigation is much higher than buying a GPS but liked that it was internal and did not need another screen
Camper Package - upgrade on front service springs, rear stabilizer bar
5th Wheel Prep Package - in my mind a mandatory factory item if pulling a 5th wheel. Can be added later but better from factory.
Wheel Well Liners
Splash Guards
Extra Extra Heavy Duty Alternator
Dual Batteries
Remote Start
Console
Ultimate Trailer Tow Camera - this is the 360 camera and very useful
Customer Installed Trailer Camera/TPMS - this is a box with a wired trailer camera and trailer TPMS both integrated into internal truck monitor
Upfitter Switches - This one I do not need at this time, but for very little money, potential to add aux items with factory breakers and switches. I recommend this.
Your truck will be different. Colors, options, trim etc. I wanted to make sure I got my dream truck and did not have to purchase another one in the future. I was less concerned about resell value although I did not want to order a frankenstein truck either because you never know the future. My advice is to buy a little more truck than you think because better to have more and be happy, then less and unhappy about something you should have ordered. Good luck on your purchase. I will try to add a pic.
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