Heavier truck.

In mind as I say this: Almost nobody gets to the theoretical "full" mark in these. They are a few hundred pounds below or above, but never right on it. The ones that are below will have a hundred pounds more truck to influence the trailer. The ones that are above probably don't notice that they have a hundred pounds more truck to influence the trailer.

Either way, the base truck is X pounds and the optioned truck is X+~100 pounds so not a huge difference anyways. An 8,000-pound XLT CC LB is probably 8,100 pounds when it turns into a Lariat so we're talking 1.25% weight increase. In the F150 range it would be more like a 5,200 pound versus a 5,400 pound CC LB so 3.8% difference. Both seem like negligible differences that most drivers wouldn't notice.

That having been said, when I emergency-stop 1" from whatever I almost hit, I'm going to think "glad this thing didn't weigh any less than it did, that extra traction probably saved me" . . . then . . . "I wonder if it would have had 2" to spare if it had weighed a bit less?"

 

Someone told me the panoramic sunroof in the F150 adds 400lbs to the truck. I don't think that's right, but even if it is, would anyone choose to go without the sunroof to have 400 lbs higher payload rating?

 

400 lbs does seem a bit much. If I had known it was 400 lbs and leaving it off the build of a Lariat Ultimate was an option (it wasn't in 2017), then yes, I probably would have.

 

You can't leave it off of some of the option packages.

Interestingly, the highest F150 with the Heavy Duty Payload Package ISN'T the highest tow rated F150. I have no idea how that makes sense.

 

As the name implies the heavy duty payload package is to maximize the GVWR of the truck and the Max tow package is to maximize the GCWR/ TWR of the truck.

 

The 2019 Ford Super Duty spec brochure states +64 lbs. for the crewcab moonroof option.

HTH,
Jim / crewzer

 

Hmm, the 400 didn't sound right, but that 64 lbs sounds suspiciously low too. Oh well, I guess a) there's no simple way for me to test this and b) it doesn't really matter.

 

That makes sense, but for most people using a half-ton truck, there's no way to reach maximum trailer weight without exceeding payload rating. Family of 4 plus a little gear in the bed is easily 800lbs, plus tongue weight of a 12,000lbs trailer (13%) = 1560 lbs = 2360lbs payload, which is higher than the payload rating of the max tow NON HDPP supercrew trucks.

Now I'm not saying anyone should be towing at 100% max of any trucks trailer ratings. I sure wouldn't. But it's an interesting discussion.

 

I am pretty sure the 64lbs is correct. I remember seeing a chart a couple years back and was thinking 62lbs.
I know it isn't 400, that wold bring my lariat to almost 2000lb payload capacity, which would be nice!!

 

If you only think in terms of a RV TT that is true but there are many other types of trailers that are just fine towing at a minimum 10% TW.

 

And many people who tow without four people and and gear in the bed, sure that's that's true as well. I agree. Although, I think for the "average" half ton buyer, most of them are towing travel trailers and bringing family with them.

 

Payload rating aside, manufacturers should provide some type of guideline to derate maximum tongue weight and TWR based on the less than ideal 10% tongue weight. Example for every 1% of tongue weight above 10% reduce maximum tongue weight rating by 100lbs which will reduce maximum trailer weight as well. Let’s say the 10% rating on a truck is 1200/12,000 the 13% rating would be 900/6925.

 

That would be really helpful, but I doubt they ever would. I'm just happy that now they all rate according to that SAE J2807 Spec, whereas before they could make it up completely. No spec is perfect, but at least it's a standard across manufacturers.

 

I suspect the 64 lbs. spec is the net weight increase after deducting the weight of the big ol’ chuck of aluminum cut out of the roof.

HTH,
Jim / crewzer