Upgraded audio using factory sync3 head unit.
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Upgraded audio using factory sync3 head unit.
So I know there are issues with just swapping out speakers and using those inline subwoofer unit thingamajigers. I was told a very basic explanation why but I'm still confused what is actually the issue. I was told it had to do with the canbus system and not seeing the correct resistance or something like that. When I asked my audio guy about using a dsp and simply running new wires from the amps he told me nobody had a solid handle on the canbus issues and advised that I wait a few months before I revisit and maybe by then the solution would have been found.
So what exactly is the issue with putting in a dsp like the Audio Control DM-608 or DM-810 into the system and replacing all the factory stuff and replace it with new hardware and wiring? I'm sure what I'm failing to understand is the exact reason why those dsp units won't work.
Any explanations that can help?
So what exactly is the issue with putting in a dsp like the Audio Control DM-608 or DM-810 into the system and replacing all the factory stuff and replace it with new hardware and wiring? I'm sure what I'm failing to understand is the exact reason why those dsp units won't work.
Any explanations that can help?
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So I know there are issues with just swapping out speakers and using those inline subwoofer unit thingamajigers. I was told a very basic explanation why but I'm still confused what is actually the issue. I was told it had to do with the canbus system and not seeing the correct resistance or something like that. When I asked my audio guy about using a dsp and simply running new wires from the amps he told me nobody had a solid handle on the canbus issues and advised that I wait a few months before I revisit and maybe by then the solution would have been found.
So what exactly is the issue with putting in a dsp like the Audio Control DM-608 or DM-810 into the system and replacing all the factory stuff and replace it with new hardware and wiring? I'm sure what I'm failing to understand is the exact reason why those dsp units won't work.
Any explanations that can help?
So what exactly is the issue with putting in a dsp like the Audio Control DM-608 or DM-810 into the system and replacing all the factory stuff and replace it with new hardware and wiring? I'm sure what I'm failing to understand is the exact reason why those dsp units won't work.
Any explanations that can help?
Sounds like your audio guy is not versed in converting to a digital signal? I have a DM-810 audio processor.
I have the factory sync 3- with morel speakers and no audio subs and 2 jdl audio amps.
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If this is wrong please let me know and maybe give a source where I can forward the info to him. My installer is not some average individual who just puts what the customer says to install. If it can be done Jeff can do it.
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Wonder if you could use FORScan and disable the speaker detection on the ACM to get around that.
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I had asked that in the forscan thread but I think it got overlooked
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I saw that but wont that setting cause no signal to the speakers, in turn causing the dsp to not "hear/see" a signal?
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Your audio guy just doesn't know what he's doing. People have been doing exactly what you want for the past two years now.
At the very worst, if the system detects an ohm load lower than the stock speakers it will output the chimes to the IPC (dash) rather than the speakers. That's it.
If you have the stock DSP, get an integration device like the PAC Ampro, it'll do everything you need and keep the chimes in the speakers. You can then run rcas to your amps.
There's a bunch of ways to do this, and a lot of threads on it if you search.
At the very worst, if the system detects an ohm load lower than the stock speakers it will output the chimes to the IPC (dash) rather than the speakers. That's it.
If you have the stock DSP, get an integration device like the PAC Ampro, it'll do everything you need and keep the chimes in the speakers. You can then run rcas to your amps.
There's a bunch of ways to do this, and a lot of threads on it if you search.
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Your audio guy just doesn't know what he's doing. People have been doing exactly what you want for the past two years now.
At the very worst, if the system detects an ohm load lower than the stock speakers it will output the chimes to the IPC (dash) rather than the speakers. That's it.
If you have the stock DSP, get an integration device like the PAC Ampro, it'll do everything you need and keep the chimes in the speakers. You can then run rcas to your amps.
There's a bunch of ways to do this, and a lot of threads on it if you search.
At the very worst, if the system detects an ohm load lower than the stock speakers it will output the chimes to the IPC (dash) rather than the speakers. That's it.
If you have the stock DSP, get an integration device like the PAC Ampro, it'll do everything you need and keep the chimes in the speakers. You can then run rcas to your amps.
There's a bunch of ways to do this, and a lot of threads on it if you search.
Like I said it's something with the 2019 vehicles. If I had a 17 or 18 he had everything I needed in stock ready to go.
This is what I'm trying to find out. What changed that made two master installers to cringe and tell me to wait to upgrade?
If there isn't a change and he is being misinformed by his sources then what can I show him to say he has been gicen wrong information.
All I want to do, for now, is to get a simple sub setup to help bring back what I've had in my explorer stock sterio.
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So being that I'm not a complete doofus when it comes to wiring, I could install a dsp like the Audio Control DM-810, throw a component set up front, something for the rear and add a sub and there should be no issues?
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Oh he's well versed in this area. When I told him I got a new superduty he said he cant do anything because he's not comfortable with the conflicting info hes being sent or found on how to intigrate aftermarket gear into the factory stuff. It's something to do with the 2019s not being setup the same as 17 and 18s from what I am being told. The canbus system is requiring something different then previous years. Something about reading the resistance and when upgrading speakers or adding a dsp like the DM-810 there is a change in the resistances that sends error codes and the system shuts down to protect it.
If this is wrong please let me know and maybe give a source where I can forward the info to him. My installer is not some average individual who just puts what the customer says to install. If it can be done Jeff can do it.
If this is wrong please let me know and maybe give a source where I can forward the info to him. My installer is not some average individual who just puts what the customer says to install. If it can be done Jeff can do it.