F150 HDPP - F250 With Same Payload Practical differences
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Thanks for sharing the rest of your experience with the HDPP. It' really helpful.
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With your use the only real consideration between the F250 and F150 is MPG and parking garage clearance. Although I personally think the 6.2 Super Duty will have a longer lifespan and residual value as the 6.2 will last several hundred thousand miles and is dirt cheap to repair if needed.
They both ride and handle fine; the F250 is a bit more sluggish handling but won’t beat you up at all unless you opt for heavier front springs.
My 2wd 6.2 is around 10.5 mpg life average and my 3.5 Ecoboost was like 15.9 mpg. Granted lots of city miles and idle time on both as they were used for work. The 6.2 likes midgrade fuel best and the Ecoboost likes premium best when working them hard, but both do ok with 87 octane.
I would consider moving a lot of weight into the trailer or installing a basket at the rear of the trailer to haul weight on and going with the F150; just for MPG.
They both ride and handle fine; the F250 is a bit more sluggish handling but won’t beat you up at all unless you opt for heavier front springs.
My 2wd 6.2 is around 10.5 mpg life average and my 3.5 Ecoboost was like 15.9 mpg. Granted lots of city miles and idle time on both as they were used for work. The 6.2 likes midgrade fuel best and the Ecoboost likes premium best when working them hard, but both do ok with 87 octane.
I would consider moving a lot of weight into the trailer or installing a basket at the rear of the trailer to haul weight on and going with the F150; just for MPG.
in/on the truck. That's what I want to prepare for.
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Ive driven 65-70k+ a year for 25+ years. Mostly in diesels. Please tell me where you see the 3.0L diesel killing you? The $3,000 adder will be bought and paid for in short order over the gas counterpart at 30k miles a year, and even if you take it fully in the shorts, the 6.7L will have you dishing out 3x as much and you still likely lose close to $3k on future trade. The only way the 6.7L is a benefit is if you need the tow capacity. The 3.0L seems to easily get high 20’s to low 30’s for mpg, and the 6.7L won’t break 20mpg on a good day. I’ve been considering the 3.0L next just for the economy in a truck. I don’t like cars.
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Ive driven 65-70k+ a year for 25+ years. Mostly in diesels. Please tell me where you see the 3.0L diesel killing you? The $3,000 adder will be bought and paid for in short order over the gas counterpart at 30k miles a year, and even if you take it fully in the shorts, the 6.7L will have you dishing out 3x as much and you still likely lose close to $3k on future trade. The only way the 6.7L is a benefit is if you need the tow capacity. The 3.0L seems to easily get high 20’s to low 30’s for mpg, and the 6.7L won’t break 20mpg on a good day. I’ve been considering the 3.0L next just for the economy in a truck. I don’t like cars.
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3.0PS wont have the payload for a trailer any heavier then 6,000-7,000lbs bc its only offered on the top trim levels AKA the heavier version of the truck with maybe 1,500lbs-1,600lb of payload. Ive gotten over 20MPG @ 70mph in my 18 dually 6.7PS fully deleted with 75HP tune. Most of the time the average at 70mph is around the 19mpg mark. Drive a little slower like 68mph and 20mpg all day every day. But good luck with a diesel 3.0L that has 300-400lbs more payload then the average mini van.
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Great. You get 19-20mpg with a truck that cost s couple grand to get there. I questioned the posters comments on depreciation, not running tweaked diesels. I also said the benefit of the 6.7L over the 3.0L was capacity. I don’t disagree there. However, if someone wants a truck that could get great MPG, the 3.0L will hand anything in its class, and the 6.7L, tweaked or not, it’s lunch... and then some. Again, I questioned the comment about depreciation. We all know about the almighty 6.7L and it’s predecessors. The 3.0L can’t hold a candle to them. But, a guy who wants a truck that rides great, has a bed instead of a back seat, looks great, has a 100k engine warranty, and can easily top 30mpg, we have package.
But this is a payload thread about the 250 vs HDPPF150 Thats why i spoke of the lack of payload a 3.0PS 150 has. Mileage is kind of moot on the 3.0 since theres gas options available in the 150 that get the same as the 3.0 with lower cost fuel. And theres no HDPP F150 with the 3.0L as an optional engine.
So there shouldn't be any discussion about the 3.0 in this thread.
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Thanks, Joe. We do drive our vehicles for a long time. Lifetime maintenance and residual value really come into play there. More to put in the equation I guess. As to moving some of the load to the trailer, we can do that for some things now but it's a pretty small trailer to begin with. Later on we'll be hauling canoes, bikes, and multiple coolers with their associated beverages in/on the truck. That's what I want to prepare for.
in/on the truck. That's what I want to prepare for.I assume this is 4x4. If kayaks are on the cab maybe get the heavy service front springs. If you get a topper you can get the camper package to help some. Probably ok without either option though really....
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As a guy that owns an F-150 with the Ecoboost and max tow packages, I would go F-250 all day. The Drivetrain in my F-150 is amazing. The suspension hates the camper. Add in Firewood, Bicycles, Generator, coolers, and any other camping stuff, especially with kids, and my F-150 is literally shoved all over the rd. Everyone keeps saying Air Bags, Tires, or sway bar on rear axle. I say it is advertised as being able to do the job, I shouldn't have to put another $2,000 in to it . The F-250 is an all around heavier truck, built to haul and tow. The F-150 is a mall cruiser with the "ability" to do the job.
PS I would bet money my Ecoboost would outrun the 6.2 up a mountain loaded. (same gears), but coming down the other side of the mountain is white knuckle if there are turns or wind.
PS I would bet money my Ecoboost would outrun the 6.2 up a mountain loaded. (same gears), but coming down the other side of the mountain is white knuckle if there are turns or wind.
Same here, I had a 14 150 heavy duty with 4.6 and pulling 30 ft tt. 6mpg on a level road, loaded the truck struggled with the wind and bad roads. Traded for a 250 gas and added a Hensley hitch, now towing is a dream. Added an ARE shell to keep things dry. Mileage towing flat roads around 11 mpg.
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Same here, I had a 14 150 heavy duty with 4.6 and pulling 30 ft tt. 6mpg on a level road, loaded the truck struggled with the wind and bad roads. Traded for a 250 gas and added a Hensley hitch, now towing is a dream. Added an ARE shell to keep things dry. Mileage towing flat roads around 11 mpg.
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It was a HDPP (Heavy duty Payload Package) F150. I did have Timbrens and a Hellwig Swaybar on it. The sway bar didnt seem to change anything except make the unloaded ride a little more firm feeling. It had 2,523lbs of payload per the door sticker as the photo above shows.
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Ah ok, yeah get the F250 6.2 3.73 Elocker with 18 inch wheels. More than enough for what you need.
I assume this is 4x4. If kayaks are on the cab maybe get the heavy service front springs. If you get a topper you can get the camper package to help some. Probably ok without either option though really....
I assume this is 4x4. If kayaks are on the cab maybe get the heavy service front springs. If you get a topper you can get the camper package to help some. Probably ok without either option though really....
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"Heavy-Duty Payload Package (req. 5.0L w/535 Trailer Tow Pkg. or 3.5L EcoBoost® w/Max Trailer Tow Pkg.) (order code) 627"
The quote is fromthe 2014 Order guide.
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Glad you felt compelled to correct me. It was a HD suspension with 6 lug wheels. It had the Eco Boost. But after all your the expert