How do I fix lifter tap/loose rocker? Does the type of cam matter here? 1973 302
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How do I fix lifter tap/loose rocker? Does the type of cam matter here? 1973 302
Hey all,
as the title says. I’ve got lifter tap going on and have been researching how to fix it. I’ve seen some folks say “take off the valve cover torque the loose rocker adjustment nut to spec and you’re set” and I’ve seen some “start at tdc with the exhaust open on cylinder 1, set the lash by backing off the adjuster on the rocker and then slowly tighten until the pushrod won’t spin then add an extra half to three quarter turn. Repeat for all cylinder. Repeat for exhaust valves”.
But all rhe sources with that longer method also mention that is for hydraulic cams. Does it matter the type of cam? And is this the correct method?
I ask about cam type because I thought these years had flat tappet cams. But I have been wrong before
as the title says. I’ve got lifter tap going on and have been researching how to fix it. I’ve seen some folks say “take off the valve cover torque the loose rocker adjustment nut to spec and you’re set” and I’ve seen some “start at tdc with the exhaust open on cylinder 1, set the lash by backing off the adjuster on the rocker and then slowly tighten until the pushrod won’t spin then add an extra half to three quarter turn. Repeat for all cylinder. Repeat for exhaust valves”.
But all rhe sources with that longer method also mention that is for hydraulic cams. Does it matter the type of cam? And is this the correct method?
I ask about cam type because I thought these years had flat tappet cams. But I have been wrong before
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It doesn't matter what type of cam the motor has but it does matter what engine family the motor belongs to. These small block Fords do not use adjustable valvetrain so if you have a noisy lifter then either the lifter itself has collapsed, the cam lobe has worn down, or in the case of these early motors it is possible the pressed in rocker stud has pulled out some.
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It doesn't matter what type of cam the motor has but it does matter what engine family the motor belongs to. These small block Fords do not use adjustable valvetrain so if you have a noisy lifter then either the lifter itself has collapsed, the cam lobe has worn down, or in the case of these early motors it is possible the pressed in rocker stud has pulled out some.
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Well fist off what oil are you using in it? IMO an older motor like this needs 10w30 non synthetic with a zinc additive, modern synthetics are probably the worst thing you could use and nothing lighter than 10w30 should be considered. Zinc is the additive that lubricates the valvetrain parts in these old flat tappet motors but it has been eliminated in modern motor oils because it's not necssary with a roller motor.
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Lifters should just pull out once the rocker and pushrod are removed, with a higher milage motor they can get a bit stuck due to varnish buildup. If a lifter can not be pulled out with any amount of force there is a good change that it is damaged but that is not likely given your latest description.. a damaged lifter will always make noise.
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Yes there is no reason a classic motor won't run as smooth and quiet as a new motor assuming it doesn't have a radical cam in it. If you pull a valve cover off and find a lot of sludge you know the motor was neglected, you may be able to improve it's current running condition some but you know sooner than later it will need an overhaul. But if it's clean inside then it could just be too light an oil or lifters that are a bit stuck from sitting.
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Sure. But if I just change out oil and clean up under the valve covers and the ticking is still there is it going to do major damage? I’m working on moving here pretty soon and planned to overhaul the top end with in the next couple months anyway. I also don’t drive this truck that much as it is and would rather not swap lifters and cams twice if it’s not going to cause any issues.
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First off, what heads and rockers do you have ? The early SBF heads had adjustable rockers (pre mid 1968) All others did not, unless some previous owner converted it to adjustable rockers and studs. Second, you cannot remove a lifter on a SBF without pulling the intake manifold.
I was aware that the intake has to come off to pull the lifters. What I would like to avoid (if possible without causing greater damage) is having to replace the cam and lifters now and then possibly have to do it again when I overhaul the motor in a few months
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I'm not sure about the rockers and heads. I've only had the truck for about a month and haven't taken the valve covers off yet. The previous owner kept referring to it as a 302 Cleveland. Perhaps I'm wrong but I thought all the 302s had windsor heads stock. Could you put Cleveland heads on a 302 or do they only fit the 351? I do know that they're Ford heads because I can see "FoMoCo" stamped on them but don't know anything else.
I was aware that the intake has to come off to pull the lifters. What I would like to avoid (if possible without causing greater damage) is having to replace the cam and lifters now and then possibly have to do it again when I overhaul the motor in a few months
I was aware that the intake has to come off to pull the lifters. What I would like to avoid (if possible without causing greater damage) is having to replace the cam and lifters now and then possibly have to do it again when I overhaul the motor in a few months
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Truck is a 73. Motor is is original as far as I can tell. I wouldn't rule out the PO having swapped heads. It belonged to to the grandfather of the guy I bought it from and he was a mechanic and had done things like headers and dual exhaust and a trans swap from a manual 3 speed on the column to a c4 with the shifter on the floor. Is there anything I can look for to differentiate if it's got Cleveland or Windsor heads?
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Truck is a 73. Motor is is original as far as I can tell. I wouldn't rule out the PO having swapped heads. It belonged to to the grandfather of the guy I bought it from and he was a mechanic and had done things like headers and dual exhaust and a trans swap from a manual 3 speed on the column to a c4 with the shifter on the floor. Is there anything I can look for to differentiate if it's got Cleveland or Windsor heads?