Longevity of delete
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Longevity of delete
I’m sure by the amount I’ve read on here, there are lots of deleted trucks out there. Wondering who has the most miles on their mods and if you’ve had any issues with them. Have you had any warranty issues with non-delete related items on the engine and trouble claiming them. Talking about the 2017+ 6.7. Thanks for the info.
Hotshot
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the big "Delete" fad is pretty much over with the advent of the 6.7 engine. What "wild fired" the delete craze was the failed EGRs in 6.0's and 6.4s and the engine wall washing and related oil contamination with washed fuel, cracked heads due to heat, elongated vales, etc, in the 6.4's. none of which happens with the 6.7 engine.
Fleet Owner
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From: Brentwood,CA
My old 2011 lived 200k with full deletes at the first oil change. However the tune I ran the entire time was a delete and tow tune with no power increase. Ran smooth, that truck only needed everything else but the engine was solid.
Laughing Gas
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From: Tupelo, MS
the big "Delete" fad is pretty much over with the advent of the 6.7 engine. What "wild fired" the delete craze was the failed EGRs in 6.0's and 6.4s and the engine wall washing and related oil contamination with washed fuel, cracked heads due to heat, elongated vales, etc, in the 6.4's. none of which happens with the 6.7 engine.
Every dealer handles deleted trucks differently. Some treat them the same as stock others won't. You will have to ask your local dealer and find out. Then decide which route is best for you.
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2008 Ram 2500 Deleted with an Edge programmer that had an external computer that had to be installed under the hood. That computer blew up and took out my ECM and caused a word of pain because the one dealer didn’t know how to program a new ECM. It was all covered under warranty because I took the Edge computer out before I took it to the dealer and since the ECM was screwed, they had no way of knowing what happened.
2012 Ram 2500. H&S mini max full delete. Truck had 300,000km when I traded it off for my 18 F350. Not one issue with that truck. Would still have it but my work has a 300,000km limit on using your truck for company business.
The big big issue I have seen in the oilfield with deleted trucks is guys run. 200+ hp settings and use their trucks like race cars. The problem with “rolling coal” (blowing a lot of black smoke out of your exhaust intentionally) is you are flash burning your fuel which I turn will put too much strain on your head gasket.
A deleted truck is the way a Diesel engine was designed. Bring clean air in, blow all the bad air and soot out the exhaust. On both my deleted Rams, I changed the oil at every 10,000kms and when I dropped the oil, it still looked like brand new oil. It NEVER went black. How can that be bad for your engine? Neither Ram required DEF (one reason I bought the Ram in 2012). I will be deleting the emissions systems on my ford as soon as I get out of the factory warranty.
2012 Ram 2500. H&S mini max full delete. Truck had 300,000km when I traded it off for my 18 F350. Not one issue with that truck. Would still have it but my work has a 300,000km limit on using your truck for company business.
The big big issue I have seen in the oilfield with deleted trucks is guys run. 200+ hp settings and use their trucks like race cars. The problem with “rolling coal” (blowing a lot of black smoke out of your exhaust intentionally) is you are flash burning your fuel which I turn will put too much strain on your head gasket.
A deleted truck is the way a Diesel engine was designed. Bring clean air in, blow all the bad air and soot out the exhaust. On both my deleted Rams, I changed the oil at every 10,000kms and when I dropped the oil, it still looked like brand new oil. It NEVER went black. How can that be bad for your engine? Neither Ram required DEF (one reason I bought the Ram in 2012). I will be deleting the emissions systems on my ford as soon as I get out of the factory warranty.
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Deleting has never been a fad. It was a performance and longevity necessity. That still holds true with the 6.7 and will continue with all diesel engines as long as the epa continues to add longevity, power and performance robbing restrictions to diesel motors. DEF and longevity are mutually exclusive. Any mechanic worth his salt will tell you that.
Every dealer handles deleted trucks differently. Some treat them the same as stock others won't. You will have to ask your local dealer and find out. Then decide which route is best for you.
Every dealer handles deleted trucks differently. Some treat them the same as stock others won't. You will have to ask your local dealer and find out. Then decide which route is best for you.
My state actually plugs a device into the OBD port as part of the state inspection equipment used by every shop that does them.
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Cargo Master
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Deleting has never been a fad. It was a performance and longevity necessity. That still holds true with the 6.7 and will continue with all diesel engines as long as the epa continues to add longevity, power and performance robbing restrictions to diesel motors. DEF and longevity are mutually exclusive. Any mechanic worth his salt will tell you that.
Every dealer handles deleted trucks differently. Some treat them the same as stock others won't. You will have to ask your local dealer and find out. Then decide which route is best for you.
Every dealer handles deleted trucks differently. Some treat them the same as stock others won't. You will have to ask your local dealer and find out. Then decide which route is best for you.
First, DEF is an emissions aftertreatment that doesn't come in contact with the engine. The DEF/SCR emissions equipment did have its teething problems, but it is now coming into its tenth year, and is the main reason we don't have to suffer through the real engine killer, and that's the harmful in-cylinder EGR only treatment.
The advancements in DEF aftertreatment has brought out the best in Diesel performance, while meeting clean air standards. It's so good, that deleting offers no real gains. Is it perfect? No. Are class 8 engines still having issues? Yes. But, small diesels like ours are not having the same issues as large CDI over the road diesels. Our small diesels are producing top performance results with emissions equipment intact. Why void your warranty to gain next to nothing?
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EGR
Well in fact, all these "light duty" pick up truck diesel engines DO employ EGR. And the exhaust gas recirculation is the reason they all went with increased displacement to 6.7 litres. They had to to get the power back up, due to lost efficiency as injecting raw diesel exhaust into the intake to reduce NOx emissions is an incredibly STUPID thing to do. All these things that are very counter-productive to diesel power are there specifically because the rabid communist environmentalists want to kill diesel power by making it ever more difficult and expensive to justify. They have largely succeeded.
Selective catalytic regeneration via urea injection into the exhaust stream is mostly non-invasive while diesel particulate filtration is somewhat more so. Then the worst by far is EGR.
Increasingly strict enforcement in years to come by regulatory agencies will lead to much grief on the part of "deleted" diesel truck owners. Already many dealerships will not take deleted trucks in trade, as it is a federal offense to drive one on public roads and especially to re-sell by a dealer. It sickens me seeing the extent of Gov control and interference in our lives but it only gets worse from here on out and like it or not we are all going to have to decide when enough is enough. Emissions controls are just one small part and are symptomatic of the larger disease.
Selective catalytic regeneration via urea injection into the exhaust stream is mostly non-invasive while diesel particulate filtration is somewhat more so. Then the worst by far is EGR.
Increasingly strict enforcement in years to come by regulatory agencies will lead to much grief on the part of "deleted" diesel truck owners. Already many dealerships will not take deleted trucks in trade, as it is a federal offense to drive one on public roads and especially to re-sell by a dealer. It sickens me seeing the extent of Gov control and interference in our lives but it only gets worse from here on out and like it or not we are all going to have to decide when enough is enough. Emissions controls are just one small part and are symptomatic of the larger disease.
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From: Chaz
I haven't had a diesel in quite some time. I know this will vary from state to state but I wonder if deleting is a problem with state inspections? I know in my state that the vehicle is supposed to have any factory emissions devices in place and working unless the vehicle is a certain amount of years old and then they're exempt.
My state actually plugs a device into the OBD port as part of the state inspection equipment used by every shop that does them.
My state actually plugs a device into the OBD port as part of the state inspection equipment used by every shop that does them.
On my gas vehicles if they plug in to check at inspection you need to take off the programmer.
Cargo Master
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From: WNY
Well in fact, all these "light duty" pick up truck diesel engines DO employ EGR. And the exhaust gas recirculation is the reason they all went with increased displacement to 6.7 litres. They had to to get the power back up, due to lost efficiency as injecting raw diesel exhaust into the intake to reduce NOx emissions is an incredibly STUPID thing to do. All these things that are very counter-productive to diesel power are there specifically because the rabid communist environmentalists want to kill diesel power by making it ever more difficult and expensive to justify. They have largely succeeded.
Selective catalytic regeneration via urea injection into the exhaust stream is mostly non-invasive while diesel particulate filtration is somewhat more so. Then the worst by far is EGR.
Increasingly strict enforcement in years to come by regulatory agencies will lead to much grief on the part of "deleted" diesel truck owners. Already many dealerships will not take deleted trucks in trade, as it is a federal offense to drive one on public roads and especially to re-sell by a dealer. It sickens me seeing the extent of Gov control and interference in our lives but it only gets worse from here on out and like it or not we are all going to have to decide when enough is enough. Emissions controls are just one small part and are symptomatic of the larger disease.
Selective catalytic regeneration via urea injection into the exhaust stream is mostly non-invasive while diesel particulate filtration is somewhat more so. Then the worst by far is EGR.
Increasingly strict enforcement in years to come by regulatory agencies will lead to much grief on the part of "deleted" diesel truck owners. Already many dealerships will not take deleted trucks in trade, as it is a federal offense to drive one on public roads and especially to re-sell by a dealer. It sickens me seeing the extent of Gov control and interference in our lives but it only gets worse from here on out and like it or not we are all going to have to decide when enough is enough. Emissions controls are just one small part and are symptomatic of the larger disease.
Don’t confuse the different emission tiers and technology by painting everything with the same brush. Use of EGR has been dialed down tremendously. Different tiers/different techniques were used as solutions to achieve the goal.
The reason SCR was employed was to decrease engine killing EGR. The 6.4 to 6.7 reasoning as an EGR correction? The first year/tier of EGR employment was the 6.0L which was a decreased CDI from the 7.3L.
The 6.4L is a perfect example. It was a Tier II emissions solution. The reason deletion was so incredibly effective was that the 6.4L was 100% engine killing EGR solution on an engine that was built from the factory with everything in place for huge gains. Get rid of the killer, and violet'.. Compounds, lift pump, rail volume, injectors, everything there from the factory to make 1150 from a tune. The 6.4L was a suffocated and castrated monster from Tier II.
SCR has been dailing down EGR each year by increasing DEF as the primary solution to combat NOx.. That alone will make the modern engine have greater life expectancies. But the dramatic gains from yesteryear are gone. You won't ever see 6.4l stock equipment we were blessed with ever appear again.
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Deleting has never been a fad. It was a performance and longevity necessity. That still holds true with the 6.7 and will continue with all diesel engines as long as the epa continues to add longevity, power and performance robbing restrictions to diesel motors. DEF and longevity are mutually exclusive. Any mechanic worth his salt will tell you that.
Every dealer handles deleted trucks differently. Some treat them the same as stock others won't. You will have to ask your local dealer and find out. Then decide which route is best for you.
Every dealer handles deleted trucks differently. Some treat them the same as stock others won't. You will have to ask your local dealer and find out. Then decide which route is best for you.
Every diesel I've owned or will own, will be fully deleted.
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