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Old Feb 17, 2019 | 10:59 PM
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Wimbledon (9A) vs colonial (9M)

It's my understanding that at least for 86, Colonial white was factory for non stripe paint. Has anyone seen a wimbledon white next to a colonial white? Curious how the two compare as I think both are a cream white?
 
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Old Feb 18, 2019 | 12:07 AM
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It's my understanding that at least for 86, Colonial white was factory for non stripe paint. Has anyone seen a wimbledon white next to a colonial white? Curious how the two compare as I think both are a cream white?
My book says they carried wimbledon up to 85, started colonial in 86, but it doesnt show color samples. I googled it, and the results will show a mix of the two under each result I think, but it's looking like colonial is a bright white, like egg shell, and wimbledon is cream colored. Like a heavy cream.

 
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Old Feb 18, 2019 | 12:57 AM
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My book says they carried wimbledon up to 85, started colonial in 86, but it doesnt show color samples. I googled it, and the results will show a mix of the two under each result I think, but it's looking like colonial is a bright white, like egg shell, and wimbledon is cream colored. Like a heavy cream.
Thanks for looking it up. Yeah, I can't trust anything on my phone display. I was comparing these two:
http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplaym.cgi?year=1986&make=Ford&model=Fo rd+Truck&color=All&action=Get+Paint+Codes
http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplaym.cgi?year=1967&make=Ford&model=Mu stang&color=All&action=Get+Paint+Codes
Which to me looks like wimbledon is the whiter of the two (while still not White-white.)
But looking at the Tbird photos that come back in Google for colonial, they look closer to Oxford (bright white) to me.
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Old Feb 18, 2019 | 01:10 AM
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Not sure you can trust that sites accuracy, there are multiple shades of each color over the years, some look white, others yellow. And they don't list either color under '85 or '86. Now they do have supplier cross references, so you could pick out a couple colors you like then pull the sherwin number, or whichever and go look at samples there and see how they look.
 
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Old Feb 18, 2019 | 01:21 AM
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So... none of the paint colors worked at any of the paint manufacturers listed. But if you go to https://touchupdirect.com/ you can search by name or the ford paint code and it will get you there. There were sever different colors with the same name, different for different years. But you can see both colors sold as "touch up" so it'll either match or it wont.
 
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Old Feb 18, 2019 | 01:28 AM
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Colonial white has been around since the mid's and was more of creamy white almost beige Wimbledon was more white in colour. Pretty sure Colonial was discontinued in the 60's and replaced with Wimbledon white.
 
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Old Feb 18, 2019 | 08:21 AM
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YOU CAN NOT TRUST any color shown on a computer or phone as each one will show a different shade for a color because of the way the screens "tint".

The other day I was looking up the price of 1 Shot pin stripe & lettering paint.
1 Shot has 2 different whites and depending what site, I was on 3 different sites, you got different colors for the same color.
On 1 site color #1 was more white, #2 more cream.
Next site it was the other way around and the 3rd site both the same color.
Was it the sites or my laptop screen?

A long shot is to go to a local auto paint supply store and see if they have paint color chip books for the years in questions.
It also helps if you have the paint code and year for the colors in question as the color name can and has been used other years but is a little different color.
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Old Feb 18, 2019 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by FuzzFace2
YOU CAN NOT TRUST any color shown on a computer or phone as each one will show a different shade for a color because of the way the screens "tint".

The other day I was looking up the price of 1 Shot pin stripe & lettering paint.
1 Shot has 2 different whites and depending what site, I was on 3 different sites, you got different colors for the same color.
On 1 site color #1 was more white, #2 more cream.
Next site it was the other way around and the 3rd site both the same color.
Was it the sites or my laptop screen?

A long shot is to go to a local auto paint supply store and see if they have paint color chip books for the years in questions.
It also helps if you have the paint code and year for the colors in question as the color name can and has been used other years but is a little different color.
Dave ----
Agreed. Since I know basing anything off digital screens is a futile effort I was really hoping on a long shot that someone had vehicles in both or had gone through this analysis before. Tough to quickly track down actual vehicles near me with the various paint codes.

Sounding like it's (from cream to white): Colonial > Wimbledon > Oxford

Although, again going off of the unreliable screen comparison method, a lot of photos look like Colonial is a brighter white than Wimbledon.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2019 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Kramercd
My book says they carried wimbledon up to 85, started colonial in 86, but it doesnt show color samples. I googled it, and the results will show a mix of the two under each result I think, but it's looking like colonial is a bright white, like egg shell, and wimbledon is cream colored. Like a heavy cream.
Wimbledon is a "creamy" white and was introduced in 1964, thru 1979 it was COLOR code M .. 1980/85 it was COLOR code 9A

There was another shade of white offered 1984/86, its COLOR code was 9D t'was a bright white. Ford 'recycled' this color in the 21st century, I had a 2011 F150 Lariat painted this color, Oxford White.

The only Colonial White I'm aware of was available 1956/59 (COLOR code E).

1960/63 offered a brighter shade: Corinthian White (COLOR code M Ford confusion: same COLOR code, but not the same shade as Wimbledon White).

Parts catalogs do not list the "promotional" names for colors after 1963. And be aware that while cars used the same colors, the COLOR codes may be different, I kid you not.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2019 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
Wimbledon is a "creamy" white and was introduced in 1964, thru 1979 it was COLOR code M .. 1980/85 it was COLOR code 9A

There was another shade of white offered 1984/86, its COLOR code was 9D it was a bright white. Ford 'recycled' this color in the 21st century, I had a 2011 F150 Lariat painted this color.

The only Colonial White I'm aware of was available 1956/59 (COLOR code E).

1960/63 offered a brighter shade: Corinthian White (COLOR code M Ford confusion: same COLOR code, but not the same shade as Wimbledon White).

Parts catalogs do not list the "promotional" names for colors after 1963. And be aware that while cars used the same colors, the COLOR codes may be different, I kid you not.
I pulled that out of a book that claims to cover ford f100/150' from '53-'96. Details changes and options across the years as well as prices, and it list paint for each year starting with new colors for that year.

 
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Old Feb 19, 2019 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Kramercd
I pulled that out of a book that claims to cover ford f100/150' from '53-'96. Details changes and options across the years as well as prices, and it list paint for each year starting with new colors for that year.
The info in post #9 was taken from the: 1948/56, 1957/63, 1964/72, 1973/79 and 1980/89 Ford truck parts catalogs.

I trust the Ford parts catalogs far more than I would trust a "book."

And there was another shade: Pure White offered 1964/74, COLOR code C
 
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Old Feb 19, 2019 | 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
The info in post #9 was taken from the: 1948/56, 1957/63, 1964/72, 1973/79 and 1980/89 Ford truck parts catalogs.
After market paint website has multiple colors listed under the same name, in the ford palette, odd huh?
 
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Old Feb 19, 2019 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Kramercd
After market paint website has multiple colors listed under the same name, in the ford palette, odd huh?
Cars may use different color codes than trucks for the exact same colors.

Adding to the confusion, the codes for Mercury and/or Lincoln may be different than for Ford cars for the exact same colors.

The thing is, most people are unaware that there were very few vehicles painted white before 1949. Exceptions included ambulances, and hearses used for children.

Today, I see all sorts of old 1920/40's cars/trucks painted white, which makes me cringe, because they were not white originally.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2019 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
hearses used for children.
Speaking of cringeworthy
 
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
Cars may use different color codes than trucks for the exact same colors.

Adding to the confusion, the codes for Mercury and/or Lincoln may be different than for Ford cars for the exact same colors.

The thing is, most people are unaware that there were very few vehicles painted white before 1949. Exceptions included ambulances, and hearses used for children.

Today, I see all sorts of old 1920/40's cars/trucks painted white, which makes me cringe, because they were not white originally.
Didn't Ford say "You can have it in any color, so long as it's black"?
 
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