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Old 02-11-2019, 08:01 PM
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2017 not as stable as old 2011

Have a 17 king ranch with the 6.2. tow a travel trailer roughly 7000 pounds loaded. Prior truck was a 2011 king ranch with the 6.7. I can't seem to get my 17 as stable feeling as my 2011. With my 2011 I rarely could feel it when cars or trucks passed me on the highway. With my 17 I feel even the smallest car come up beside my camper. Using the same weight disturbing hitch as I had on my 2011. Pretty sure I had it setup correct. I know the 17 truck is lighter than my 2011. But I figured with more payload with my 17 I would be even better than my 2011. Suggetions? I have bought a new weight disturbing hitch with sway control. Bought the resse stedi flex system. My old weight disturbing hitch was a pro series one with just the chains. Think it will be better with this new hitch?
 
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Old 02-11-2019, 08:10 PM
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I noticed more feeling of trailer sway with my enclosed car trailer vs my father's 2007 Chevy 2500hd. Not a good apples to apples comparison due to the Chevy is a 2wd with smaller profile tires but there is an obvious difference.
 
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Old 02-11-2019, 08:15 PM
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Hellwig sway bar is a great option.
 
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Old 02-11-2019, 08:45 PM
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I know this might sound strange but try going into the settings and turn off the trucks sway control and see if that makes a difference when towing. Something felt off on mine when towing my TT like the truck was fighting me or my W D hitch needed adjusting. I turned off the sway control for kicks and it towed fine afterward. Might be nothing to it but worth a try. I have a Reese system with dual cam sway control anyway and it worked fine on my previous truck so I know it's a solid system..
 
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Old 02-11-2019, 09:04 PM
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I wonder what the weight difference between a 6.2 and 6.7 is? I can't say mine feels any less stable than my 2012, but both were/are 6.7's.
 
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Old 02-11-2019, 09:23 PM
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I wonder what the weight difference between a 6.2 and 6.7 is?
I think around 700-800 lbs.
 
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Old 02-11-2019, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Crabbman P
I know this might sound strange but try going into the settings and turn off the trucks sway control and see if that makes a difference when towing. Something felt off on mine when towing my TT like the truck was fighting me or my W D hitch needed adjusting. I turned off the sway control for kicks and it towed fine afterward. Might be nothing to it but worth a try. I have a Reese system with dual cam sway control anyway and it worked fine on my previous truck so I know it's a solid system..
A few months back I read on one of the WDH manufacturer’s websites (can’t remember which one now) that their hitch setup was incompatible with electronic sway control systems in vehicles and the two could actually end up working against each other. I meant to turn mine off and see if it made a difference but then I forgot all about it. Thanks for posting this and reminding me that I wanted to try that experiment!
 
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Old 02-12-2019, 12:14 AM
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Sway control doesn't do anything until it thinks something catastrophic is going to happen. It's a safety thing in an oh **** moment. The dash will pop up a warning and let you know it's taking action. I would leave it on, don't ask me how I know.

My guess is your last truck was probably about 1000 lbs heavier. That's a lot of extra weight and stability at speed.
 
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Old 02-12-2019, 02:30 AM
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I would focus on the hitch. I know on my previous truck, the difference between a stable rig and an amusement park ride was simply a few cranks on the WD jacks (ProPride), or a chain link or two. I would not expect the settings to be the same from truck to truck.
 
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Old 02-12-2019, 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by tony montana 42
Have a 17 king ranch with the 6.2. tow a travel trailer roughly 7000 pounds loaded. Prior truck was a 2011 king ranch with the 6.7. I can't seem to get my 17 as stable feeling as my 2011. With my 2011 I rarely could feel it when cars or trucks passed me on the highway. With my 17 I feel even the smallest car come up beside my camper. Using the same weight disturbing hitch as I had on my 2011. Pretty sure I had it setup correct. I know the 17 truck is lighter than my 2011. But I figured with more payload with my 17 I would be even better than my 2011. Suggetions? I have bought a new weight disturbing hitch with sway control. Bought the resse stedi flex system. My old weight disturbing hitch was a pro series one with just the chains. Think it will be better with this new hitch?

Do both trucks have the same wheel/tire size? I know on passenger cars I can sometimes tell the difference if the sidewall is taller vs a lower profile tire. Especially when passing large oncoming vehicles on smaller 2-lane highways. Not sure if it would be as noticeable in these trucks with load E tires at high PSI though.

just a thought...
 
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Old 02-12-2019, 05:39 AM
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I have a buddy who says the same thing about his new F350 feels lighter up top , his anagagy is ride a Harley or any convention bike and then ride a goldwing which has the weight down lower .
The new fords are kind of like that , now all the weight is in the lower part of the truck compared to the extra weight of the steel body which has more weight up top .
From checking out his truck looks like all the truck cab sheet aluminum sheet metal is the same as F-150 its only the Bed on the F-250 + has thicker aluminum .
 
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Old 02-12-2019, 06:12 AM
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I owned both 2014 and 2016 F250s before my 2017. Pulling a 7x18 enclosed bumper pull loaded with 4 motorcycles, 2 spares, luggage and some tools the sway is very noticeable on all 3 trucks when passing tractor trailers. This is with standard receiver hitch with 2 5/16 ball and no weight distributing provision.
Just an observation that both editions of the truck have the same problem in my situation. I don't see the previous body style as better or worse in that department.
 
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Old 02-12-2019, 06:27 AM
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for those experiencing sway, try to move more of the trailer cargo weight forward of the axles.. it really makes a difference..
I can tell the difference with my enclosed car hauler when I don't pull the car up enough.. even pulling with my dually
 
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Wonder how does the F-450 feel with now load compared to the steel trucks , I know my 2016 F-450 feels solid even with a Semi blowing by feels like a slight breeze but nothing compared to 2017+ SRW F-350
 
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Old 02-12-2019, 08:46 AM
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There could be so many things at work here. You didn't mention if the bed lengths are the same. Wheel base has a real impact on stability. All other things being equal, the heft of a truck definitely has an impact on stability. A heavier truck feels more planted and is less apt to succumb to the forces applied by a trailer. The fact that your '17 has a higher payload doesn't mean it is more capable of handling your trailer better, it just means that it weighs less than your '11. All that being said, your trailer is so light that either truck should handle it with ease. Something is not right with your set-up. Check tire inflation, recheck your WD hitch and make sure you have enough weight on the tongue...I like 15%.
 


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