And the answer is... no single "best". Ok. Thanks for your opinion...


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I'm curious if anybody has any info on a TSB put out by FORD on the new spec = API SN PLUS subject??


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You will find, that after many exhaustive hours of reading spec sheets, raw data, biased personal opinions, and irrelevant used oil analysis.......not 1 formulation from any brand is superior to all the other brands.

Petrol Quality Institute of America has good information. May not tell you what the best oil is. But will surely advise what not to buy. http://www.pqiamerica.com/

American Petroleum Institute. We see their mark on bottles of oil. Spend a little time reading about who they are, what they do, how they do it. You're interested in API SN & API SN PLUS. Try to learn what that means in relation to your car. More confusion. https://www.api.org/

Do you need brand A with more Boron? How about brand B with less Phosphorus but higher Calcium? Brand C has higher levels of Molybdenum, but a higher pour point and lower flash point. What do any of those things do, and how will they do it in your car?

Then you have all the loyalist who will swear by their favorite brand, and insist everybody should use it. Coupled with all the people who believe that they know which weight for you to use, and it's not the Original Equipment Manufacturer's specified oil weight. "My dad, and grandpa, used Pennzoil 10w-30 from a cardboard can, and that's why Amsoil racing oil is the best!" Good luck with following that logic.

Watch those youtube videos where people conduct their own home testing. When they freeze the oil and pour it; is that relevant to lubricity and oil breakdown as your engine is running extremely hot?

If someone sends in brand A for a used oil analysis, will that same oil yield the same results in your engine? After all, his engine is not your engine. UOA is Mobil 1 5W-30, in a 15 Honda Accord with a 4 cylinder engine, after 1 year and only 9,000 miles. UOA is Valvoline 10W-30, in a 86 Dodge K-Car with a turbo, at 3 months or 3,000 miles. How is that relevant to your late model which calls for 5W-20 as indicated by an Oil Life Monitor.

This is why there is an entire website with a forum just for motor oil..... bobistheoilguy.com

Just change your oil. Change it according to the factory recommended oil change interval.

 

You still haven't specified what "Best" means to you. If your looking for the lowest wear numbers, or lowest engine deposits, or best gas mileage, or....well you get the idea.
As each owners vehicle, drive cycle, operating conditions & use differ so much, no telling what'll work best for you, where you live, how you drive & how you'll use your vehicle.
In general, seeing as how we pay Ford lube engineers big bucks, (that's included in the vehicle purchase price), to test & specify the best lube for our engines, after the engine is broken in, why not consider beginning there, by trying the specified semi-synthetic Motorcraft 5W20 oil & filter & perform several UOA & Filter analysis, along with particle counts, then move up to the Owner Manual specified optional upgrade Motorcraft full synthetic 5W20 & repeat the UOA. filter & particle count analysis to see if a full synthetic under the towing use your putting the vehicle through, will offer up any improvement in the numbers & if not, call it a day & use what is specified in your owner manual & change it as specified
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This way you'd have a base for comparison if you wanted to venture forth with other brands of like specified oils & see if they would offer up any worth while improvement.

Any improvements are likely to be small & with the cost of the used oil & filter analysis & particle counts, you'd likely have to drive this puppy for a looooong time to come out even money & even longer to be ahead any significant amount!!!
So what I'm suggesting is that if you use the specified viscosity & service grade engine lube & filter, your not likely to be able to measure any significant differences between licensed lubes that meet Fords specifications for your engine.

 

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Honestly SN really is hard to define the best oil. I have done UOA's on WPP, Mobil 1, and Milessyn. All oils performed near identical in 5k oci's. Fuel dilution is the problem these days.

 

What did you think of that Miles Syn oil? Did you buy the 5 gallon bucket?

 

 

 

Not just my opinion. Blackstone Labs analyzed all of its hundreds of thousands of UOAs. Its conclusion? Buy what is on sale.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-hammer/...d-a-decade-ago

Someone (actually, a large group of people) has already done all the hard work for you. Pick a spec. API, Cummins, Cat, Ford, Mopar, GM Dexos. Whatever.

Someone has sweat blood and tears to come up with the spec. Someone who is a professional and who has the training and experience to be competent to generate the spec.

The specs were not generating by monkeys in a zoo, throwing stuff against the wall.

So if the oil meets the required spec, there is no NEED to spend more.

There is, however, often the WANT to spend more.

Feed the need, not the want.

 

They all meet the same spec.s , one is not better than another except for the BEST marketing program. Then engine will never know the difference between them.

 

Will let you know soon, just did a 10k OCI in a 18 3.5 EcoBoost and have sent out the UOA and I will upload the results when I get it.

 

Just wanted to add to this thread, because I recently learned that Royal Purple API oil is now SN Plus certified. Not sure when this came about, but several months ago...they weren't. It is my understanding that the NEW SN Plus standard is related to gas DI engines (direct injection)







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Forget it. Stop looking. Here, I found this for you. The price is right. Just buy a bottle of this stuff, and call it a day.

Product Information

• Warranty: Manufacturer's Defect Warranty
• Unit of Measure: Each
• UPC: # 733704800569
• Oil Composition: Synthetic
• Viscosity Grade/Weight: 0W-20
• High Mileage: No
• API Designation: SN Plus
• Fuel Type: Gas
• Racing: No
• Viscosity Index: 167
• GM Dexos(TM) Compatible: Yes

 

Or another alternative to so called, "name brand" synthetic oils from Amazon.





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