7.3L kill resale value of 6.2L
#136
02-08-2019, 02:10 PM
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ON EDIT: I just checked B&P;
2.7L No charge all trims
3.5L $1,600 adder XLT
5.0L $1,000 adder XLT (Was free in 2018)
3.0L $4,000 adder (Lariat)
3.0L $3,000 adder (KR & Platinum)
#137
02-08-2019, 02:14 PM
Hotshot
I will push back here a bit.
OHC is not intrinsically more sophisticated than OHV, and in fact has been around almost as long. OHC engines have advantages in being able to rev higher and breathe better, because it's much easier to use a 4 valve per cylinder design. This allows them to make more power for a given displacement, which is why the design has always been more popular for smaller engines and vehicles sold overseas where there are displacement taxes. None of that is really applicable to HD trucks though. I'd expect an all new engine to be at least as "advanced" as one designed and introduced nearly 10 years ago. And I say all this as a satisfied 6.2L owner.
OHC is not intrinsically more sophisticated than OHV, and in fact has been around almost as long. OHC engines have advantages in being able to rev higher and breathe better, because it's much easier to use a 4 valve per cylinder design. This allows them to make more power for a given displacement, which is why the design has always been more popular for smaller engines and vehicles sold overseas where there are displacement taxes. None of that is really applicable to HD trucks though. I'd expect an all new engine to be at least as "advanced" as one designed and introduced nearly 10 years ago. And I say all this as a satisfied 6.2L owner.
#138
02-08-2019, 02:48 PM
Laughing Gas
I was not speaking in the terms you have brought up and will clarify. I am speaking of the materials used in the manufacturing of this engine, narrower footprint, than what would be considered traditional for a displacement of this size. The engineer went over much of this in his presentation. This is the first time that I can remember that an engine for a HD truck from was designed from the ground up to function optimally with one single transmission. This goes to show how for example that the old standard transmission has finally had a steak driven through it with regards to any future incorporation.
#139
02-08-2019, 03:01 PM
Hotshot
I was not speaking in the terms you have brought up and will clarify. I am speaking of the materials used in the manufacturing of this engine, narrower footprint, than what would be considered traditional for a displacement of this size. The engineer went over much of this in his presentation. This is the first time that I can remember that an engine for a HD truck from was designed from the ground up to function optimally with one single transmission. This goes to show how for example that the old standard transmission has finally had a steak driven through it with regards to any future incorporation.
Regarding the transmission, we'll see. I would be extremely surprised if the F-650/750 trucks began using the 10R140. I suspect they will continue to use the 6R140 transmission with this new engine. Just because this 7.3L V8 was optimized for the 10-speed doesn't mean it won't be fully compatible with the 6R140. And frankly, I sure hope the 10R140 is as tough and reliable as the 6R140 has proven to be, because it really has been a great transmission for the past 8 years.
#140
02-08-2019, 03:17 PM
I personally don't think so early on
They got out in front with the public success of the F150 10 sp trannies.....
But SDs ain't mostly a grocery getter and these things will really be put to the test. Filling lots with 10 speeds is a potential disaster I think ford is unlikely to take.
In fact I think you'll have a harder time selling the 10 sp trannies to the SD crowd than the 7.3
They got out in front with the public success of the F150 10 sp trannies.....
But SDs ain't mostly a grocery getter and these things will really be put to the test. Filling lots with 10 speeds is a potential disaster I think ford is unlikely to take.
In fact I think you'll have a harder time selling the 10 sp trannies to the SD crowd than the 7.3
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02-08-2019, 03:17 PM
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Where do you see this $2000 add? Maybe the 3.5L is but I’m looking at my window sticker of my XLT, and it says No Charge. There is no discount package offered, either.
ON EDIT: I just checked B&P;
2.7L No charge all trims
3.5L $1,600 adder XLT
5.0L $1,000 adder XLT (Was free in 2018)
3.0L $4,000 adder (Lariat)
3.0L $3,000 adder (KR & Platinum)
I was mostly seeing it on window stickers for 2018 and 2019 XLT and Lariats. I was looking at a pre-owned 2015 F150 and the dealer had the original window sticker from Ford and I recall it being a $600 option for the 5.0. That 2015 was a Lariat.
#142
02-08-2019, 03:28 PM
#143
02-08-2019, 03:31 PM
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I'm just comparing the 6.2L to the 7.3L. The 6.2L has two camshafts, two long timing chains, two De-VCT phasers, two spark plugs per cylinder, canted valves, roller rockers, mini lifters in the rocker arms, etc. The 7.3L has one camshaft, one De-VCT device, one plug per cylinder, etc. Now, it does have 16 pushrods and it does employ bearings on the rocker arm shaft. Nevertheless, I would still label the 7.3L as the more simple of the two engines.
#144
02-08-2019, 04:52 PM
Laughing Gas
I politely disagree. This is a 90-degree V8 with overhead valves an a cam-in-block design. Of course it is much narrower than the OHC 6.2L engine it partially replaces. Any OHC will be both taller and wider than a pushrod / OHV design. I think this engine is about the same size as the GM 8.1L Vortec which was a very similar design. That engine was a full 496ci but only made 340HP and 455lb-ft. That's less HP and not that much more torque than the current 6.2L Ford, and less power than GM's own 6.2L V8 used in the half ton trucks. Hopefully Ford's 7.3L is significantly stronger, which I think it will be.
Regarding the transmission, we'll see. I would be extremely surprised if the F-650/750 trucks began using the 10R140. I suspect they will continue to use the 6R140 transmission with this new engine. Just because this 7.3L V8 was optimized for the 10-speed doesn't mean it won't be fully compatible with the 6R140. And frankly, I sure hope the 10R140 is as tough and reliable as the 6R140 has proven to be, because it really has been a great transmission for the past 8 years.
Regarding the transmission, we'll see. I would be extremely surprised if the F-650/750 trucks began using the 10R140. I suspect they will continue to use the 6R140 transmission with this new engine. Just because this 7.3L V8 was optimized for the 10-speed doesn't mean it won't be fully compatible with the 6R140. And frankly, I sure hope the 10R140 is as tough and reliable as the 6R140 has proven to be, because it really has been a great transmission for the past 8 years.
#146
02-08-2019, 05:23 PM
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02-08-2019, 06:09 PM
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02-08-2019, 06:29 PM
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