4 speed toploader question
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4 speed toploader question
I have a 59 F100 with a 223, 3 speed column shift. There is a 4 speed toploader transmission for sale in my area and I'd like to know if the swap would work?
What's all involved if possible?
What's all involved if possible?
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There are a couple of issues in the change. Your 3 speed probably bolts to the bell with a "square" pattern. Early top loaders (the performance version) had those holes drilled as well as the "new" in '65 1/2 "butterfly" wider pattern. The second picture down shows the patterns on one of the transmissions:
Toploader Imposters
The other issue is input length, pilot size and the bearing retainer diameter. You will probably have to buy aftermarket linkage.
All that is IF it is an iron cased top loader, OD or performance.
And IF it is an early performance box and not the later 4 speed OD. That link shows and tells the story there.
It would be worth looking at, but it may be a bit of "adjusting" (driveshaft for one) to actually make it work.
Keep in mind if it is a performance trans, first is either 2.78 or 2.32.
Toploader Imposters
The other issue is input length, pilot size and the bearing retainer diameter. You will probably have to buy aftermarket linkage.
All that is IF it is an iron cased top loader, OD or performance.
And IF it is an early performance box and not the later 4 speed OD. That link shows and tells the story there.
It would be worth looking at, but it may be a bit of "adjusting" (driveshaft for one) to actually make it work.
Keep in mind if it is a performance trans, first is either 2.78 or 2.32.
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Ford 4 speed top loader introduced in 1963 1/2 Galaxie/full sized Mercs and over the years was only installed in cars. It was never installed with I-6 engines, so I doubt it will work.
The extension housing has a flange that the transmission mount (steel/rubber insulator) bolts to, then it bolts to the rear engine support that some people call a cross member.
No 1961/64 trans in a truck mounts this way.
The other problem is the location of the shift lever, if installed in a truck, it will be under the seat.
The extension housing has a flange that the transmission mount (steel/rubber insulator) bolts to, then it bolts to the rear engine support that some people call a cross member.
No 1961/64 trans in a truck mounts this way.
The other problem is the location of the shift lever, if installed in a truck, it will be under the seat.
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